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2018-03-21 at 2:10 PM UTC in my punk uncle is noodledoodling me while im passed out from injecting ambien into my eye bonescame in expecting Vizier with his old predator uncle who gave him herpes
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2018-03-21 at 2:06 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe Plants can demonstrate an interest in their own continued existence as well. For instance when they sense a catipllier eating them (or even an audio recording of the sound of a catipllier eating a leaf) some plants will produce certain chemicals as a defense mechanism. I don't know if plants or animals can be considered moral agents but I don't know if that matters either. What is unlikely? Why? If you did have to reconsider your plant intake, what would you consume to stay alive? Would you try to stay alive?
I don't believe there is a "more correct" way of behaving. I don't believe there is a universal morality. I don't believe the "right thing to do is what I believe would be good if everyone did it too". I believe right and wrong is relative, from person to person and from person to animal to plant to mushroom. It's all just a bunch of stuff happening. Some people feel eating animals is wrong so they don't do it. But nobody has any obligation to do anything at all. The universe doesn't care one whit about our lives and it's up to us to make of them what we will. Sometimes awful things happen to innocent people or animals, so it goes. Sometimes the most beautiful things happen to awful people, so it goes. Sometimes everything works out just the way we want it to, so it goes.
A defense mechanism isn't the same as wilfully defending themselves. I'm not about to take that as proof positive that plants are sentient, but supposing that they are and we're guilty of genocide against a surprisingly complex array of flora, then I'd review my diet and see if I can find alternatives. I think we've spent entirely too much time on this hypothetical.
I realize that the issue of whether or not animals have moral agency feels insignificant to you in the grand scheme of things, but my argument is that it shouldn't. It's only easy for you to ignore because there aren't consequences for you. If you feel obligated to help a human in need, I would say that you should also help an animal. Terrible things don't have to happen to them, but they only stop when we decide, most likely much later than that.
You can say that moral relativism is the truth, but I don't believe that you actually leave anything of your life that matters to you in the universe's hands. You have to decide for yourself which injustices you will or will not tolerate, and if you'd rather abdicate from that choice based on notions of nihilism or spiritual unity, that's your decision. Nothing absolves you of that responsibility, not even when you say it isn't there.
Originally posted by Speedy Parker The bottom line is we are part of nature. Nature made us omnivorous. To just eat meat or only vegetables is unnatural
Right, and because oil exists, we were obviously meant to operate motorcycles. And clearly, your intelligence would indicate that you weren't meant to survive past the cradle. Do nature a favor: find a rock, and beat yourself in the face with it until you stop twitching.
Originally posted by infinityshock what youve clearly established is that human beings require caloric consumption to exist and no matter what those calories consist of there will be a well concerted effort at harvesting those calories regardless of consequences or requirements.
Uh, do you need time to finish this thought, or are you going to let it stand as the nonargument that it is? -
2018-03-21 at 4:17 AM UTC in WTC an Inside job?Exactly, thank you -SpectraL for exposing my viral globalist agenda.
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2018-03-21 at 3:37 AM UTC in What's wrong with youye I'm pretty sure it is
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2018-03-21 at 3:36 AM UTC in What's wrong with youThat's exactly what I look like, take it down immediately.
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2018-03-21 at 3:30 AM UTC in What's wrong with youI don't tolerate those kinds of visuals on my device. Please refrain from doing so in the future.
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2018-03-21 at 3:29 AM UTC in What's wrong with youYeah, Infinityqueer is a fucking jedi.
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2018-03-21 at 3:26 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit But the crisis came about as a result of a Western fad diet. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as the old saying goes.
As though there aren't any horrible consequences of mainstream agriculture? What exactly are you trying to demonstrate? Capitalism turns any belief into poison if it pays well. Why should that responsibility fall upon the vegans, and not the shareholders?
Originally posted by RestStop This whole thread has been one big troll. I mean just look at Opie's Avi ffs.
Hey, fuck you, dude. David Duchovny is a beautiful man and I'm very serious about it. -
2018-03-21 at 3:24 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit I wasn't talking about lay Buddhists, but monks. Meat-eating isn't strictly prohibited, as long as the animal it came from wasn't killed specifically for them. Waste not, essentially. With cigarettes and alcohol it's a different matter. Monks aren't supposed to consume intoxicants, especially alcohol, but some do if it's offered. It would be rude not to.
Oh, monks. Yeah, I'm aware that many of them do eat meat, some even using drugs and alcohol. I admittedly don't have a lot of insight into what motivates them to eat meat offered to them, but I agree that it's probably out of politeness, and also maybe a bit of utilitarian reasoning: because they know refusing won't bring the animal back. Regardless, Buddhism and Hinduism conceived the earliest moral systems known to have acknowledged animals as possessing inherent value like humans, and I think the majority of vegetarians (alive and dead) would trace the lineage of their position back to ahimsa. -
2018-03-21 at 3:14 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatSo after glancing at some articles about this "quinoa crisis" it's apparent to me that there are some predatory multinational food corporations, and what you need to understand is that veganism doesn't drive them, profits do. Yes, veganism has created the market, but vegans who eat quinoa aren't even privy to the decisions of the leadership in companies that meet that market demand. You can't really make a case against an entire diet on the basis of some unintended consequences of capitalism, especially when the people who operate that company are the only obviously responsible parties. Soya appears to be the prime offender, and an example of how simply being vegan doesn't mean you can't still exploit people.
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2018-03-21 at 3:06 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit You never heard of the quinoa crisis?
Hindus are only forbidden from eating cows, by the way. Buddhists aren't vegetarians either. Buddhists take and use whatever alms they're given, including meat, booze, and ciggies. The Dalai Lama himself eats meat for health reasons.
Traditional Hinduism informs Buddhism similarly in the observance of ahimsa. There will always be people who don't religiously follow their religion, but that doesn't mean that the Catholic Church doesn't largely abhor child sodomy, for example. And you're right, the Dalai Lama eats meat sometimes for health reasons. I think he's worried that if he dies, China will groom his replacement. My take on this is that he's a political figure first, and a religious official second.
I'll read more about the quinoa crisis and get back to you. -
2018-03-21 at 2:58 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit Of course, because the prey we've hunted for tens of thousands of years are more deserving of our consideration than the poor in Bolivia who can no longer afford their staple crop thanks to a Western fad diet.
It's not a hunter-prey relationship anymore, it's one of systematic exploitation on a genocidal scale and I have a hard time empathizing for those who operate it. As for the poor in Bolivia, why don't you provide me with a source so that I can respond with my interpretation?
And "Western fad diet"? Have you ever heard of or met a Hindu? -
2018-03-21 at 2:52 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-21 at 2:41 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-21 at 2:35 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-21 at 2:31 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by infinityshock the apocalypse doesnt account for your diet
it would certainly be more rewarding than the idiotic mentally disturbed gibberings from you. you need to give darwin a call and go collect your award.
they dont
Sure, if it makes you feel better, I'll consider reevaluating my diet when the apocalypse comes. I'll eat you. -
2018-03-21 at 2:23 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit Good luck being a vegetarian when the shit hits the fan. "We can just eat plants tho." Yeah, of course. That's why there's always an outbreak of cannibalism during times of war and famine. The 20th century was especially bad for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cannibalism#20th_century
Things can only get worse.
I'm proud to say that I don't account for the apocalypse in any aspect of my diet.
Originally posted by infinityshock you just had to go full-Bill Krozby
the most basic premise that is human nature is violence. it always has been and always will be, because as soon as any organism loses it ability for violence its next step in the evolutionary scheme of things is lunch.
read some archeological records on bone analyses of humans that were dug up that literally withered and died due to lacking animal protein.
its cute how you spatter-on about the stupidest shit that makes absolutely no sense to anyone with a modicum of sanity which makes it obvious youre a retard then throw in one of them thar three-dollar words that was wholly unnecessary but points out the validity…read: invalidity…of your position.
You're like an edgier Nietzsche - if he had altogether ceased developing intellectually and emotionally before he was ten. At this point, I think huffing glue is a more fulfilling and stimulating hobby for you than attempting literacy. Please go back to the general forums.
Originally posted by infinityshock they deserve reparations for the millions of years humanity violated their natural rights and stuff
Maybe they do. -
2018-03-21 at 1:22 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Enema Bandit Are you comparing a social norm to a dietary norm? This an SJW leap of faith?
Choosing not to eat meat for "moral" reasons goes against our nature. It's only 5000 years since the stone age ended. That's not a long time in evolutionary terms. Isn't it strange that the animals which evolved to be omnivorous - humans, rats, seagulls, raccoons, etc. - also happened to be the ones that survived and thrived?
Yes, I recognize speciesism as a form of prejudice, just like racism and sexism.
We don't have a nature which demands bloodshed, that's ridiculous superstition. Even if we did, it would be a nature worth rebelling against. But we don't, because we don't wither and die when we fail to consume animal protein. Your argument has no real ground outside of this nebulous concept. -
2018-03-20 at 11:52 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-20 at 11:45 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatHonestly, I would rather have -SpectraL in here at this point. At least he can read above an elementary level.
