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2018-03-22 at 3:33 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatIf I haven't been clear to readers and debaters, my position mirrors that of ethical philosopher Tom Regan, who offers an alternative to the typical utilitarian arguments we see in the domain of animal rights. He asserts that we must abolish animal testing and vivisection, dissolve animal agriculture, and eliminate commercial hunting and trapping.
In philosophy, this approach to ethics is deontological because it answers the question of how to determine the morality of an action by considering the inherent moral value of said action, rather than evaluating the action by its consequences. See Kant's categorical imperative to learn more.
The crux of my argument rests on the problem of moral agency. I am in agreement with Regan that it should be extended to include animals. For one example of why our current formulation of moral agency is totally gay: you might think that although your dog can’t assemble a desk or sign a piece of paper, it would still be cruel to beat him. Well, at present, that dog has the bare minimum of legal protection, and even that can't really stop you because it's on your property and you paid for it.
Most philosophers agree that you ought to be capable of rationality to qualify as a moral agent, so that you can purposefully sign the proverbial social contract—a highly convenient threshold for moral consideration, given that we are a highly intelligent apex predator with opposable thumbs and industrialized slaughterhouses—granting moral status and all the inalienable protections we've come to expect in an egalitarian society.
Especially confounding is the contradiction in this requirement: babies, irrational humans and the profoundly disabled are signed on to this policy by default, all clearly lacking the criteria, whereas nonhumans are excluded from any such protection. So what is the qualifier for moral agency, if not rationality? All you really need to do is be born human. It’s brazen speciesism, the final prejudice of mankind which can never be corrected by its victims. There is no excuse for this crime. It’s no different in principle from our failure to represent blacks in politics or women in the workplace.
We shouldn’t kill things that specifically don’t want to be killed, nor should we inflict pain deliberately upon those who respond to painful stimuli. They aren’t here to be our resources, and they don’t deserve to be killed and eaten only because we can do it to them when we want to. They’re suffering, and it’s time they were recognized as possessing inherent rights, just like us, because they obviously need them. -
2018-03-22 at 3:22 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader what non meat eaters should do is actually try to develop some chemical, biological and radiological agent that can incapacitate or destroy animals nervous system and feed it to the animals prior to the slaughter.
dilemma solved.
A lot of people have this attitude toward lobsters and crabs - that, if you eliminate their nervous system from the equation prior to boiling them, you aren't actually doing harm. The problem is that most people don't know how lobsters' nervous systems work, and they are actually inflicting a slow and extremely painful death. -
2018-03-22 at 2:38 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
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2018-03-22 at 2:35 AM UTC in The Retardest Thread: Fashionably Late Edition.
Originally posted by NARCassist lanny why don't you take advantage of r/darknetmarkets closing and offer a replacement here. you could easily make a separate forum for it, maybe as a sub-section of bltc. i'd help link in the dream forum and on the main site, it could attract a lot more users here in the same flip.
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Lol, I don't think that would go very well. -
2018-03-22 at 2:14 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
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2018-03-22 at 2:13 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
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2018-03-22 at 2:12 AM UTC in Facebook collects personal data on people
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2018-03-22 at 1:52 AM UTC in Facebook collects personal data on peopleI'd like to know most of those things, too, but I don't want Facebook to know them about me. I have to wonder if they're risking membership with this fiasco.
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2018-03-22 at 1:51 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youI think that if we can get Lanny to merge all three, we might be accepted on a few major insurance carriers under the category of mental health.
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2018-03-22 at 1:43 AM UTC in Old Zoklet/Totse threads you wish you could find
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2018-03-22 at 1:42 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
Originally posted by Fox Paws I must have been thinking about this one, you have to admit it’s similar
Eh, kind of, but I actually thought you meant this one. Either way, I think a psychoanalysis leaves a lot more room for interpretation. I expect every post hereafter to be at least one full page with no margins and otherwise to adhere completely to the APA style guide. -
2018-03-22 at 1:35 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
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2018-03-22 at 1:30 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above yoummQ has conflated nipples with pistols and requires nursing at the breasts of middle-aged white male gun owners.
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2018-03-22 at 1:29 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youYou may be thinking about 'Make a prediction about the future of the poster above you' which is easily one of my better ranking threads, in terms of reply count.
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2018-03-22 at 1:27 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youDid I? Fuck, hang on.
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2018-03-22 at 1:26 AM UTC in Old Zoklet/Totse threads you wish you could findOn Zoklet, somebody made a thread in the music subforum about Radiohead. Lanny replied with a detailed, >1,000 word story about how he'd had an encounter with Thom Yorke in a quiet diner wherein the frontman scraped his entire plate into the trash, maintaining eye contact with him the entire time. It was very well written, so well that I almost believed him. I'd really like to save this thread, if anyone can find it.
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2018-03-22 at 1:23 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youNigga
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2018-03-22 at 1:07 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe It's not that I would rather not believe animals shouldn't be eaten - I just don't believe it. If I found your argument convincing then I would believe it. But it doesn't convince me, or at least nothing you have said to me so far has convinced me. I don't think my mind is unchangeable. And is that not why you made this thread? To convince others? To challenge my beliefs with your own? You said yourself, "The entire history of moral causes has been a struggle on the part of some people to convince others that there exists a more correct way of conducting themselves." If your argument is correct, you should be able to convince me and I will agree with it. If you are unable to convince me, maybe it's because my point of view is the correct one. Or maybe they are just different points of view, and we just see the world differently. That's all ok.
I don't know, maybe I'm salty about salvaging my own arguments now that they've been drowned in a sea of idiots. I thought I had presented my position clearly, is there a specific criticism you'd like to offer, other than that we just should walk away and agree to believe different things?
You have read the arguments I've offered to you, as far as I can tell, which I appreciate. But, if your replies are any indication, I'm pretty sure that you're here to talk about plants. Please, no more about plants. I realize it's a fascinating subject, and there is an overlap, but you've made a successful thread about them already. This is a thread about whether or not to eat meat.
For or against, this debate relies upon friendly disagreement. If you don't take a position and dig your heels in, it's not going to be fun for either of us. IRL I also prefer to 'live-and-let-live' but this is a discussion forum, and we're disagreeing for a reason. -
2018-03-21 at 11:25 PM UTC in ATTN: HTS
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2018-03-21 at 11:22 PM UTC in The Retardest Thread: Fashionably Late Edition.r/sanctionedsuicide is acceptable to me, but r/darknetmarkets was offering a public service. This will decrease my Reddit use considerably.
