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2018-03-23 at 5:17 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
Originally posted by Daily Bitter about some kind of government fuckover, has little to strive for due to fucked up CV, acquires resources through the government that caused this fuckover in order to purchase adulterated heroin off the streets. Is conflict-averse online but more willing to bash somebody's skull in irl due to years of prison time. Happy that teenage girls stay the same age as he gets older. Dependent on pleasure, not sex or heroin. Has a decent relationship with his children but feels slightly ashamed when comparing his father-child bond to others
Easily the most thorough and illuminating submission from this entire medical group, sorry NARC but it's true. -
2018-03-23 at 5:14 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Jeremus Be honest, how much consideration do you give ants? If you ever leave a donut on the counter and find ants swarming it in the morning, how would you deal with it? Would you carefully remove the donut and then the ants, taking care not to hurt them? Or would you throw away the donut and then commit ant holocaust for convenience's sake?
I blow them off the countertop. Meanwhile, I busy myself thinking of ways to redirect them or plug their point of entry. When this stage is complete, I relocate the ones remaining to the outdoors where they belong. Sometimes this a long process, but I think it's necessary.
Originally posted by Jeremus Let me be more direct: why I treat a shoe different than a dog has nothing to do with qualia. I just think about the potential for how it might affect me. If there is a rock in my path, I step over it. If there is a small dog sleeping in my path, I might or might not step over it, depending on how I think it will react. If the dog is a P-zombie, I would probably act the exact same way. Do you really act according to whether or not you think animals or people possess qualia? Does that idea really affect your decision making? I genuinely believe that the only thing you respond to is the physical qualities of the world around you. And no, not what "your qualia" responds to; it's just your body interacting with some stimulus.
Even a hardened realist might have a difficult time with that claim. How do you explain your participation in a forum, if all you respond to is physical phenomena? What happened to information as your prime substrate for metaphysical entities? Is information not distinctly a product of the realm of ideas, and therefore immediately in conflict with your assertion that we only interact with the physical? -
2018-03-22 at 10:09 PM UTC in Bounty: Kill SpectraL
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2018-03-22 at 9:29 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
Originally posted by Fox Paws But why would he want to that’s the question
Because he's butthurt that he can't get under my skin. There's no question in my mind that he has a motive to criticize me through an alt, although it would be more exciting for me if this was organic hatred. As for the grammar, if this is sploo editing his own writing, I would assume he's trying to close the gap between our perceived IQ scores. -
2018-03-22 at 9:24 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.I don't think that rules sploo out. He has a conduct disorder, not a learning disorder. I'm of the belief that he can write with passable grammar when he wants to.
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2018-03-22 at 9:17 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
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2018-03-22 at 9:17 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.Alternatively, you could start acting as though you're interested in what people have to say. I think the world would be a better place if you learned from me, instead of hating.
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2018-03-22 at 6:42 PM UTC in Is it that fucking hard for microsoft word not to center everything?Tbh you're better off handwriting everything
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2018-03-22 at 6:35 PM UTC in Lithium feels really fucking toxic900mg carbonate daily. I may one of the lucky ones because it seems to be helping with minimal side effects.
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2018-03-22 at 12:43 PM UTC in fuck fuck fuck i said something sexual to this chickAlternatively, you could run for public office and pretend this never happened. It's an American tradition, but we're proud of it.
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2018-03-22 at 12:40 PM UTC in fuck fuck fuck i said something sexual to this chickDon't worry, if she's still talking to you, then there's still a chance to set this aright and humiliate her as planned. Ask her out, and when she says yes, you'll go from there.
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2018-03-22 at 12:36 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe I don't believe there is a "more correct" way of behaving. I don't believe there is a universal morality. I don't believe the "right thing to do is what I believe would be good if everyone did it too". I believe right and wrong is relative, from person to person and from person to animal to plant to mushroom. It's all just a bunch of stuff happening. Some people feel eating animals is wrong so they don't do it. But nobody has any obligation to do anything at all. If you can convince me why I should believe you I will.
I already stopped talking about plants. But it appears you have started talking about plants again with other posters. Maybe the plant argument actually has something to it?
If you dont want to talk a out plants lets focus on the morality aspect. As I've stated before I don't believe not eating meat is "more correct" than eating meat. I believe morality is relative. Unless you can convince me of my so-called moral obligation, I don't believe it actually exists.
Yeah, I'm starting to realize that plants have found their way in whether I like it or not. In all seriousness, have you read about bivalves? If you want a grey area that my argument can't easily handle, it's not plants, it's fucking bivalves. I have no idea what to do about them, I just don't eat them.
I'll be back on later, guys, I have unfortunate IRL obligations to see to for now. -
2018-03-22 at 6:52 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatI'll be as specific as I can: I personally can't verify whether or not that particular plant feels what might be described as pain (I lack the equipment!) but I highly doubt it does. In any case, I've said that my argument is not predicated on its exclusion; there's room to make a case for the moral agency of all nonhuman entities which merit advocacy. I don't have a problem with the idea that plants have feelings. It's not supported, to the best of my knowledge, but I'd have no prejudice if the evidence began to mount. I don't need access to the qualia of plants to argue that causing lethal harm to defenseless animals is unconscionable, holy red herring.
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2018-03-22 at 6:24 AM UTC in Let's talk more about driving under teh influence
Originally posted by Jeremus And most professional duties.
I personally wouldn't, but some people can pull it off apparently. The ones I've worked with were a pain in the ass. Once I accidentally swallowed what I thought was a high therapeutic dose of bundy just before work, but actually turned out to be a low recreational dose. I didn't get very high, just first plateau shit, but it was very upsetting and I still don't know how I managed. -
2018-03-22 at 6:15 AM UTC in Let's talk more about driving under teh influenceI know the appeal of driving stoned, and you're probably going to be fine if you do it, but I think that every drug user should set some essential boundaries - driving seems like a reasonable one, along with family functions and school.
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2018-03-22 at 6:05 AM UTC in I have gotten 6 women pregnant and forced them to have an abortion.Have you let any other bastards live? I bet I'd like to think of all the things they might do, not knowing the man who seeded them.
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2018-03-22 at 6:03 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Jeremus We're talking about that specific plant though. Would you grant that it feels pain?
Oh, I may have wrongly assumed that you had intended to generalize the issue to make a claim about other plants as well. My apologies.
I don't have a spectacular command of biology, but my understanding is that its reaction is purely physical in nature. And furthermore, it's not a plant I would ever consider eating. Why is it being uniquely examined for sentience in this discussion, unless your intent is to perform the aforementioned generalization? -
2018-03-22 at 5:53 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatYOU HEAR ME? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLANTS. LET THEM SUFFER IN MY GULLET AND CRY LITTLE GREEN TEARS.
WHAT ABOUT THE BIVALVES? NOBODY ASKS ABOUT THE BIVALVES! -
2018-03-22 at 5:47 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatFurthermore, suppose that you can meet the burden of proof, and I believe you when you say that plants have feelings: that would be fine, my argument doesn't require their exclusion. Fruititarianism would be the next logical position, and we'd still be able to retain essential dietary components like nuts, seeds, legumes, etc. We've managed to fortify a lot of the food we eat with synthetically-derived vitamins and minerals already. It's not ideal from a cultural perspective, I'll agree with you on that, but neither is the needless suffering of all life arbitrarily cast beneath us.
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2018-03-22 at 5:34 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Jeremus I'll throw the next punch:
So the only difference is that our way of expressing a response to our environment isn't understood? Where's your positive evidence that our feelings when we are threatened are categorically different than the response of the plant?
We understand very well how organisms respond to pain, and also by what mechanisms they perceive it. Plants don't present any signs that they're in pain, given all the many ways we've thought to measure it. They lack the structures that would enable them to feel pain. It's a well-established distinction between the different orders, or do you have evidence to the contrary?
I don't know that supplementing your argument with a theory of how plants might conceivably feel when we have no evidence that they do helps the claim that we should be eating meat, in any case.
