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2018-03-23 at 7:05 PM UTC in Do you remember the first time you took a drug?I'm pretty sure I was 13 or 14 and heard about a girl at my school who'd pop ten ibuprofen at a time to get messed up. Being young, bored, and
fucking retardedinexperienced with substances, I had to try it for myself. I found a bottle of Advil Liqui-Gels in the medicine cabinet, 200mg each. I took four.
Just minutes had gone by when I passed out. I woke up, probably immediately afterward, surrounded by colors I couldn't name. When I tried to speak, my voice echoed as though I was in a mason jar. This quasi-psychedelic state persisted for about almost a half-hour. I had stomach pain for several days afterward.
I realize that 800mg is a therapeutic dose, so I really can't explain the effect I had apart from maybe the fast-release mechanism. I didn't try it again. -
2018-03-23 at 6:55 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader 1- no, really ants cant feel becos the keep voluntarily climbing up my boiling pot, over the brim and ended up in my soup.
2- but its ok when it comes to dealing with plants ??? why the double standard ????
I don't have a sophisticated knowledge of ant anatomy, but as a practical measure, I respond to doubt with caution. I don't need to complete a dissertation on their nervous system to prove to myself that it's okay to smash something that apparently doesn't want to be smashed, I'd rather just not do it. Plants, as I've said, offer no indicators that they care about their individual survival. Ants sort of do. -
2018-03-23 at 6:52 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws Seeing as this thread is over 800 posts now, I’m sure this has been repeated ad nauseam. But I don’t have a moral responsibility to do shit, because as you just said we make our own boundaries, meaning morality is completely relative.
/thred
I don't see my think it betrays my position to describe the observable tendency that we all adjust our care toward others to suit our preferences; if anything it's precisely what I'm calling on you to change. But you're right about the first part. -
2018-03-23 at 6:34 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws I guess I draw my boundary somewhere past eating meat. So I’m not obligated to do shit then.
Not in your ethics, but I didn't make a thread titled "what degree of carnivore are you?" Do you believe that failing to mediate the populations of your various gut bacteria relieves you of the moral responsibility to reduce suffering in the world? -
2018-03-23 at 6:31 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe Sure and I don't even care if Zanick wants to not talk about plants. That would be fine. But he even said that most scientists don't think ants feel pain, so why does he choose to define them as moral agents but not plants? Probably because he just wants to, because his morals are subjective and relative, and therefore none of us have a moral obligation to not eat meat.
I recognize ants as moral agents because their behavior demonstrates a will to survive on an individual which is more or less explicit, like any animal or human. Plants haven't been known to do this. As for why I don't crush the ants when most scientists agree they don't feel pain; I would prefer not to be wrong because of the stakes. -
2018-03-23 at 6:28 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws But you could manage it. You could live inside a bubble like a bubble boy.
The fact that you don’t shows that you actually don’t give a shit about moral agency. Or you only care as far as it’s convenient for YOU.
You make me sick
You could say that we all draw our own boundaries. I deserve to live in an environment of my choosing, just like animals. That some of them have taken up residence in my gut isn't my choice, and they'll have to contend with the same difficulties any organism inside of me would, including myself.
Originally posted by Obbe Zanick why do ants running from your feet count as moral agents but plants trying to defend themselves against catiplliers does not?
Did you know the smell of freshly cut grass is their equivalent of an animal screaming in agony? Plants use their chemicals to send signals instead of sounds like us.
Anyway I thought we were going to talk more about the morality aspect of this.
Plants aren't trying to defend themselves from caterpillars, as far as I know. Is there a more precise way of articulating that which would tell me about the plant and the mechanism to which you're referring?
I don't think grass screams for help, because it has no conception of the fact that asking other blades to help it would be futile. Intelligent organisms usually don't develop useless methods of communication.
The only drive plants appear to have is to use natural resources in the production of energy so that they can reproduce. I don't recognize them as moral agents because the facts tell me that they aren't in pain, nor do they care whether I eat them.
As for morality, I thought you accepted Jeremus' argument for ecology? That's a reasonable avenue to animal rights, so long as the activists remain pragmatic. I don't see how my forcing you to empathize with creatures you don't already care for would improve this position. -
2018-03-23 at 5:35 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws Zanick what about all those trillions of pathogens/bacteria that are constantly slaughtered by your bloodthirsty immune system? What about their moral agency god dammit.
This is genocide
My body is a complicated ecosystem, I don't have the ability to manage their affairs. So, I treat this issue the same way I treat any external population: if they're in their own environment, it's not my business. -
2018-03-23 at 5:19 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Jeremus Why? Why don't you wipe them out?
They have things to do, and dying on my counter isn't part of the agenda. I include them in my definition of moral agency. I know a lot of scientists have given reasons why they don't feel pain, but they run away from my feet and I have to believe they see a tragedy coming for them in those moments. I can't help but sympathize.I don't see how my participation in a forum isn't just me responding to physical phenomena.
I think I agree that there's an argument that might successfully reduce your forum participation to the interactions of matter, I just wasn't sure if it was your intention to argue it.I make up things all the time to try my hand at debating them. It serves as an intellectual challenge to me. I hope that doesn't sound rude. I just like to assess people's beliefs by the merits of their arguments, and not of mine. I think that the information thing is an interesting idea that we could explore as a subject of study. But I don't think it currently holds philosophical weight on its own.
That doesn't sound rude at all. You could say that I created this thread for similar reasons, except I'm also really a vegetarian IRL. -
2018-03-23 at 5:08 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.Alright, I'm starting to suspect that Infinityqueer has circumvented his ban with a browser add-on that checks for topical spelling and punctuation errors. What is his motive? He believes I was the user who reported him in the discussion forums. He's right. This is my final answer.
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2018-03-23 at 5:03 PM UTC in Help me get to know you guysI managed to sign up to Totse very shortly before Jeff's announcement. It was like boarding the Titanic just in time to see the iceberg tear her open.
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2018-03-23 at 4:54 PM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.If we should value your status as a Zoklet veteran, then why don't you tell us the username we're all familiar with?
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2018-03-23 at 1:45 PM UTC in I asked out the girl who I thought liked me and she told me she had a boyfriend.It's entirely possible that you did nothing wrong. I've met girls who did this exact thing. Some were just inconsiderate. Some of them wanted to be pursued, On rare occasions, they might be trying to set the board for a physical confrontation between two men so she can see their desire for her measured in blood. All of them are a waste of your time and thoughts.
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2018-03-23 at 6:14 AM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
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2018-03-23 at 6:11 AM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
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2018-03-23 at 6:09 AM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
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2018-03-23 at 6:05 AM UTC in Zanick, stop acting like you're interested in what people have to say.
Originally posted by aldra Pretty sure it's Enter.
I agree with you on the syntax and the grammar, but he often will capitalize for emphasis and I just don't see that here. It could be that we haven't provoked him enough, but if he felt strongly enough to make a thread like this in the first place, we'd definitely have seen some capslock action by now. -
2018-03-23 at 5:59 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youYour soul is overburdened with hydrochloride salts.
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2018-03-23 at 5:55 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above youI think sploo ultimately aspires to be a retarded person in a Stephen King novel.
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2018-03-23 at 5:30 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
Originally posted by NARCassist ima need you to elaborate some more
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The board had agreed that an exit interview isn't a good idea, but I'll be honest: it's your looks. We hired you on because we thought you were really hot, but you don't dress up as much anymore around the office, and you have that hot bitch look on your face that says my advances would be rejected before I even tried anything. You can whine to a lawyer if you want, but I'll just tell him that you didn't conduct yourself like an impartial clinician, and they'd figure you're just a typical hysteric and brush it off. Get your things, and just don't be here when I leave. -
2018-03-23 at 5:21 AM UTC in Attempt to psychoanalyze the user above you
Originally posted by NARCassist had a little taste of real life with hydro for the first time in his pathetic little life and totally freaked and couldn't handle it. set about blaming everyone but himself for what is essentially just normal real life. tried to write a book to get a better understanding of the situation for himself, but mistakenly thought he'd been through some unique and extreme experience, but because he was literally crying over nothing and making a mountain out of a molehill barely sold any copies. now he just sits at home getting all 'holier than tho' with people over the internet who are living real lives. has let this little experience make him super bitter and occupies his time jumping at every opportunity to attack the one woman who was good enough to let him get his fat little cock wet and gets more and more bitter when every time he see's his efforts have no effect and she just gets on with her life regardless, like a trooper. the experience will probably drive him to suicide in the near future and many will actually be relieved when he does.
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I think most practices would require that you be dismissed from his case because your emotional investment in the patient's outcome has come into conflict with your analytical obligations. I really don't enjoy this part of my job, but I'm afraid we're going to have to let you go.
