The jedis and palestinians on my campus are having a shitflinging contest at the moment. It's been going on for years but it's flared up recently after the jedi group invited the Mayor of Tel Aviv (I think, some mayor) to give a talk and the palestinian group shouted him off the stage. jedi group went out and publicly declared the university's administration and all the professors in the arab studies department anti-semites and now some dudes are going around campus tagging "zionists not welcome" and "zionism is racism" everywhere and both parties are trying to catch them for obvious reasons. Someone noticed that if you report the tagging in progress, campus police will take segways or actually sprint across campus to try and catch them and I'm pretty sure someone is putting in phony reports a couple of times a day just for the spectacle of it.
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Originally posted by Jeremus
Morally reprehensible according to whom?
To anyone who thinks genocide is not an acceptable way to solve problems?
Everything we do societally comes from consensus, including our morals.
Clearly not true. Religious minorities and conscientious objectors are obvious examples of people with moral principles contrary to the "will of the people"
All executive power is derived from the will of the people. Unless you want to push some kind of divine command theory or objective morality, I don't see how you can argue against the dominance of the will of the people being the ultimate basis of our society, and everything else in between the will of the people and its execution, as essentially being a vestige of the time when they were a systematic necessity. My hope would be only that reason and humanity wins out.
No command theory required at all. Act utilitarians can easily deny a "consent of the governed" framework of rule on by making the case that it's not an optimal means of securing the well being on the citizenry, which it's quite obviously not.
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The reality outside this is the absolute. Timeless, distorted, multiple instances of reality at once etc. Its the hidden ocean beneath the waves, its the book of existence. It is where we all go when our body can't take it anymore, and when i say we i mean our perception and perhaps awareness.
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The universe is really fucking bizarre Like we're being projected RIGHT now on some infinity spanning grid in some zone of existence that is being rendered by who knows what the fuck.
like
we are literally a simulation in the same sense that a video game is a simulation we are information, patterns of energy that are beaming through some invisible lattice we can't perceive my original vision of the universe and the one projected by the media and educational institutions is a complete sham reality is not at all how we originally perceived
it gets even more bizarre the deeper you go and think about this
like
if the sum of you existence is that your self is a amalgamation of particles following the path of some invisible lattice just like pacman and your consciousness is the byproduct of the macro level processes of the pattern that follows the lattice
what the fuck is outside this?
what would "reality" even be like outside of this dimension if you could find a source to this chain then what would that be like? there is like
literally millions of years worth of scientific knowledge to be uncovered in the coming decades holy shit
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Originally posted by mmQ
I asked my houseplant about this earlier this morning while we were playing chess, but he just stared at me blankly. Doesn't seem too intelligent to me.
your mistaking a ratt for a dogg.
a rat dont have the intelligence of a dogg nad neither does your houseplant have the intelligence of a fieldplant.
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Originally posted by Open Your Mind
No. I don't deserve that. I didn't do anything wrong here. I posted a documentary I thought was interesting and that I thought other people here might also like to watch. Almost immediately the insults started. So, I started citing research that had demonstrated that plants do have intelligence, do process information, sense their environment, communicate, etc. At no point did I even state my own opinion, all I did was post the information. And the shitposters just kept shitposting. No counter arguments. Just shit posting. Captain Falcon even started shit posting that he doesn't have any intelligence. And Fox tried pulling the semantics card and then turned around and said I was the one playing with semantics.
I'm not going to kill myself. I'm going to keep living life, keep sharing the things I like and if you guys want to shit all over it, well, I suppose that just makes you shitty people.
I didn't read the thread, but it sounds like all you did was post facts? Plants DO communicate with each other, as well as other species. This is known. Whether or not you decide to call it intelligence is a different issue, but other than that I don't see how there can possibly be five pages of this dumb shit debate?
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Originally posted by Zanick
This is a distinctly monistic ontology. You aren't avoiding philosophy with your arguments, you're joining in. I think you'll like it.
Not really. Atheism proposes that there is no god, which is a philosophical position that denies taking a religious one. Egoism, on the other hand, is a valid way of philosophically examining your moral choices. Is there a specific strain of egoism that you find particularly appealing?
Originally posted by Lanny
On the off chance this isn't stirnerposting, why other than a moral truth could justify your obligation to do what benefits yourself?
Yeah, it was stirnerposting and I'm not actually an egoist. Moral nihilist is probably the most fitting description. Which of course means that I think egoism is a perfectly fine philosophy to follow if one is personally inclined, as is the belief that we have an obligation to stop eating meat. But I wouldn't use the word truth in the context of moral philosophy since these are rather arbitrary constructs.
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Originally posted by inb4l0pht
Moral philosophy is all sophistry and intellectual masturbation. The entire field is a spook. I don't have an obligation to do anything, except that which benefits myself.
And yet you've committed yourself to a moral philosophy nonetheless - specifically, egoism.
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Originally posted by inb4l0pht
Moral philosophy is all sophistry and intellectual masturbation. The entire field is a spook. I don't have an obligation to do anything, except that which benefits myself.
Benefits you in what way? What is you?
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Moral philosophy is all sophistry and intellectual masturbation. The entire field is a spook. I don't have an obligation to do anything, except that which benefits myself.
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Originally posted by Issue313
Morality is just something people made up to feel better about themselves, and I don't believe in any of it.
But you do, so explain how babies and retards have moral agency :D
dogs, rational doggs dont bite their masters. ever.
while playing with each other, juvenile cats and dogs will play fight with each other but never actually bite or claw each other as hard as they could.
its like they somehow know whats right and wrong, that it isnt right to bite for no reason.
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Originally posted by Xlite
But are those people wrong though?
I didn't read the science about the plants, but i've done my research on mycelium and mycelia in fungi are capable of collecting intelligence and transmitting it to their corresponding plants and neighbors — whatever they’re connected to, really. This intelligence includes information about how to survive and fight disease, warnings about nearby dangers, and guidance in raising a host plant’s defenses. Mycelium also act as a kind of “mother” that allows the transfer of nutrients among interconnected plants.
With this in mind, i'm inclined to believe obbe is telling the truth, or refering to the truth anyway.
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Originally posted by Fox Paws
Yeah I know I was just trolling him
You’ve been gone a while though I guess you don’t know that 90% of the shit he says is plagiarized verbatim from people way smarter than him. It’s been proven
But are those people wrong though?
I didn't read the science about the plants, but i've done my research on mycelium and mycelia in fungi are capable of collecting intelligence and transmitting it to their corresponding plants and neighbors — whatever they’re connected to, really. This intelligence includes information about how to survive and fight disease, warnings about nearby dangers, and guidance in raising a host plant’s defenses. Mycelium also act as a kind of “mother” that allows the transfer of nutrients among interconnected plants.
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Originally posted by Open Your Mind
I know how old my cat is.
“You” don’t know anything. “You” don’t exist.
Also your cat is not six months old. Age is an illusion. Age would imply that your cat is something unique that only began existing at a certain point in time. The matter that constitutes your cat has been around since the beginning of time, just like everything else.
In other words, everything is the same age, thus “age” means nothing.
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