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How Plants Communicate and Think
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2018-03-09 at 5:11 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 5:15 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 5:18 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 5:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws For someone who claims to have an “open mind”, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you change your views about anything. I can’t think of one instance where you said some shit on this forum, someone debated you about it, and you ended up saying “you know what, you might be right, I never thought of it like that.”
For example there is nothing I can say that will convince you that plants are not intelligent. Sure we can go back and forth, like we’ve already started to, but it will eventually devolve into an endless semantic debate. The rainbow thread is another example.
I’ve kinda just gotten bored of seeing this pattern play out
I'm getting tired of even trying at all. I can't post anything without being cyber bullied by you fucks.
If you can post something that actually shows plants are not intelligent at all I will consider it. Unlike how you did not consider any of the information I posted demonstrating plants do have intelligence. I fucking hate you fox. I try to be a good person, share my interests and you fucks shit all over it every single time. -
2018-03-09 at 5:26 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-09 at 7:24 PM UTC…plant blindness – a tendency to overlook plant capacities, behaviour and the unique and active environmental roles that they play. We treat them as part of the background, not as active agents in an ecosystem.
Some reasons for plant blindness are historical – philosophical hangovers from long-dismantled paradigms that continue to infect our thinking about the natural world. Many researchers still write under the influence of Aristotle’s influential notion of the scala naturae, a ladder of life, with plants at the bottom of the hierarchy of capacity and value, and Man at the peak. Aristotle emphasised the fundamental conceptual divide between immobile, insensitive plant life, and the active, sensory realm of animals. For him, the divide between animals and humankind was just as stark; he didn’t think animals thought, in any meaningful way. After the reintroduction of such ideas into Western European education in the early 1200s and throughout the Renaissance, Aristotelean thinking has remained remarkably persistent.
It’s often adaptive for humans to treat plants as object-like, or simply enhancement them out
Today, we might call this systematic bias against non-animals zoochauvinism. It’s well-documented in the education system, in biology textbooks, in publication trends, and media representation. Furthermore, children growing up in cities tend to lack exposure to plants through interactive observation, plant care, and a situated plant appreciation and knowledge by acquaintance.
Particularities of the way our bodies work – our perceptual, attentional and cognitive systems – contribute to plant blindness and biases. Plants don’t usually jump out at us suddenly, present an imminent threat, or behave in ways that obviously impact upon us. Empirical findings show that they aren’t detected as often as animals, they don’t capture our attention as quickly, and we forget them more readily than animals. It’s often adaptive to treat them as object-like, or simply enhancement them out. Furthermore, plant behaviour frequently involves chemical and structural changes that are simply too small, too fast or too slow for us to perceive without equipment.
As we are animals ourselves, it’s also easier for us to recognise animal-like behaviour as behaviour. Recent findings in robotics indicate that human participants are more likely to attribute properties such as emotion, intentionality and behaviour to systems when those systems conform to animal or human-like behaviour. It seems that, when we’re deciding whether to interpret behaviour as intelligent, we rely on anthropomorphic prototypes. This helps to explain our intuitive reluctance to attribute cognitive capacities to plants. -
2018-03-09 at 8:02 PM UTC^You know what, maybe you’re right Obbe. I never really thought of it like that.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-09 at 8:12 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 11:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by Daily Kill thyself
No. I don't deserve that. I didn't do anything wrong here. I posted a documentary I thought was interesting and that I thought other people here might also like to watch. Almost immediately the insults started. So, I started citing research that had demonstrated that plants do have intelligence, do process information, sense their environment, communicate, etc. At no point did I even state my own opinion, all I did was post the information. And the shitposters just kept shitposting. No counter arguments. Just shit posting. Captain Falcon even started shit posting that he doesn't have any intelligence. And Fox tried pulling the semantics card and then turned around and said I was the one playing with semantics.
I'm not going to kill myself. I'm going to keep living life, keep sharing the things I like and if you guys want to shit all over it, well, I suppose that just makes you shitty people.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-09 at 11:24 PM UTCEVERYBODY BTFO
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2018-03-10 at 12:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind No. I don't deserve that. I didn't do anything wrong here. I posted a documentary I thought was interesting and that I thought other people here might also like to watch. Almost immediately the insults started. So, I started citing research that had demonstrated that plants do have intelligence, do process information, sense their environment, communicate, etc. At no point did I even state my own opinion, all I did was post the information. And the shitposters just kept shitposting. No counter arguments. Just shit posting. Captain Falcon even started shit posting that he doesn't have any intelligence. And Fox tried pulling the semantics card and then turned around and said I was the one playing with semantics.
I'm not going to kill myself. I'm going to keep living life, keep sharing the things I like and if you guys want to shit all over it, well, I suppose that just makes you shitty people.
I didn't read the thread, but it sounds like all you did was post facts? Plants DO communicate with each other, as well as other species. This is known. Whether or not you decide to call it intelligence is a different issue, but other than that I don't see how there can possibly be five pages of this dumb shit debate?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-10 at 12:13 AM UTCWhen people disagree with me, I simply attribute it to trolling. It is not possible that I am incorrect.
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2018-03-10 at 12:14 AM UTCYou see that Obbe? That's what you're like.
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2018-03-10 at 2:11 AM UTCWhy don't you believe you have intelligence?
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2018-03-10 at 2:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by §m£ÂgØL2becausescronfuckeduptheforum I didn't read the thread, but it sounds like all you did was post facts? Plants DO communicate with each other, as well as other species. This is known. Whether or not you decide to call it intelligence is a different issue, but other than that I don't see how there can possibly be five pages of this dumb shit debate?
I appreciate you acknowledging that. -
2018-03-10 at 3:09 AM UTC
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2018-03-10 at 3:10 AM UTC
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2018-03-10 at 3:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Why don't you believe you have intelligence?
To be serious: I don't even know what that word means, "intelligence". We are simply a set of dominos. I don't think there's any less horror in the explosion of a star, than there is in the death of a billion humans. They're simply physical processes. There is no such thing as beauty. They are our simple, blissfuly ignorant trappings of the rigid, brutal, severe beauty of the universe. -
2018-03-10 at 3:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus To be serious: I don't even know what that word means, "intelligence". We are simply a set of dominos. I don't think there's any less horror in the explosion of a star, than there is in the death of a billion humans. They're simply physical processes. There is no such thing as beauty. They are our simple, blissfuly ignorant trappings of the rigid, brutal, severe beauty of the universe.
See, I would have appreciated this is you didn't post it after being a total shithead for 5 pages. You are an annoying person. I don't like you. -
2018-03-10 at 3:30 AM UTC
