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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-09 at 9:20 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-09 at 9:21 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-09 at 9:26 PM UTCThis is some Obbe shitThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-09 at 9:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock you mean like giving animals the same rights that humans have
That is the logical endgame of my argument, yes. My position is one of abolition, which means I believe animals should be granted moral agency and our exploitative relationship with them should be formally severed in a manner that also supplies them with legal rights, to prevent further abuse. Other animal rights activists might subscribe to what we call welfarists, and basically, that means that they don't think we need to stop raising pets, livestock, etc. but rather that we should minimize their suffering wherever possible. There's a pretty big divide among those who believe in animal rights as to which of these positions is most appropriate, but when we get into particular cases, there is also a lot of room for overlap. I hope that provides some clarity for those of you who actually do read this post, and to the poster I quoted above, I wish I believed in a Hell you could go to when you die, but just knowing you'll never draw another breath will hopefully be enough. -
2018-03-09 at 9:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus Benefits you in what way? What is you?
Stimulates the pleasure centers of my brain, which is a collection of atoms that create an emergent consciousness, 'me'.
Originally posted by Zanick And yet you've committed yourself to a moral philosophy nonetheless - specifically, egoism.
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2018-03-09 at 9:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by inb4l0pht Stimulates the pleasure centers of my brain, which is a collection of atoms that create an emergent consciousness, 'me'.
This is a distinctly monistic ontology. You aren't avoiding philosophy with your arguments, you're joining in. I think you'll like it.Egoism is to moral philosophy as atheism is to monotheistic religion.
Not really. Atheism proposes that there is no god, which is a philosophical position that denies taking a religious one. Egoism, on the other hand, is a valid way of philosophically examining your moral choices. Is there a specific strain of egoism that you find particularly appealing? -
2018-03-09 at 9:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by inb4l0pht Moral philosophy is all sophistry and intellectual masturbation. The entire field is a spook. I don't have an obligation to do anything, except that which benefits myself.
On the off chance this isn't stirnerposting, why other than a moral truth could justify your obligation to do what benefits yourself? -
2018-03-09 at 9:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick That is the logical endgame of my argument, yes. My position is one of abolition, which means I believe animals should be granted moral agency and our exploitative relationship with them should be formally severed in a manner that also supplies them with legal rights, to prevent further abuse. Other animal rights activists might subscribe to what we call welfarists, and basically, that means that they don't think we need to stop raising pets, livestock, etc. but rather that we should minimize their suffering wherever possible. There's a pretty big divide among those who believe in animal rights as to which of these positions is most appropriate, but when we get into particular cases, there is also a lot of room for overlap. I hope that provides some clarity for those of you who actually do read this post, and to the poster I quoted above, I wish I believed in a Hell you could go to when you die, but just knowing you'll never draw another breath will hopefully be enough.
the logical endgame is you heavily medicated in an in-patient facility with no windows and locks on the doors that you don't have a key to.
personification of inanimate objects is a mental disorder. wanting to give them rights is delusions of grandeur.
the next opportunity I get to abuse an animal, I want you to know my motivation is your discomfort, not that of the animal. -
2018-03-09 at 9:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock the logical endgame is you heavily medicated in an in-patient facility with no windows and locks on the doors that you don't have a key to.
personification of inanimate objects is a mental disorder. wanting to give them rights is delusions of grandeur.
the next opportunity I get to abuse an animal, I want you to know my motivation is your discomfort, not that of the animal.
Yeah, get yourself arrested for animal cruelty. I'm sure you'll enjoy the visitors who come to see you after the police blotter is published. That will show me. -
2018-03-09 at 9:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny On the off chance this isn't stirnerposting, why other than a moral truth could justify your obligation to do what benefits yourself?
Why does he need to "justify an obligation" to do what benefits himself? He has no obligation to do what benefits himself, he is simply inclined towards it. -
2018-03-09 at 9:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock the logical endgame is you heavily medicated in an in-patient facility with no windows and locks on the doors that you don't have a key to.
personification of inanimate objects is a mental disorder. wanting to give them rights is delusions of grandeur.
the next opportunity I get to abuse an animal, I want you to know my motivation is your discomfort, not that of the animal.
>inanimate objects
>animalsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-09 at 9:49 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 9:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Yeah, get yourself arrested for animal cruelty. I'm sure you'll enjoy the visitors who come to see you after the police blotter is published. That will show me.
you want a show.
go check out the pic of the cat I posted in some cat-appreciation thread. I dedicate it to you. -
2018-03-09 at 9:51 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 9:56 PM UTCyeah, no one said anything about sentience bro.
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2018-03-09 at 9:57 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 9:57 PM UTCUnsubscribed due to hunger pangs
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2018-03-09 at 9:58 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 9:58 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 10 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock fucktard did when he said he wanted to give them rights.
No, I didn't. Read every post I've made in this thread, I haven't used the word "sentience" once. You substituted that because my actual measurement of animal rights - moral agency - is too many letters for you.
