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2018-03-31 at 4:44 AM UTC in Lanny: BBS Hitman For Hire!!
Originally posted by Fox Paws It’s not infinityshock if that’s what you were thinking lol.
That’s Spectral
I can see why you might think that: it's probably more effort than we've ever seen from Jill, and the grammar is passable. I think this can be explained by a few days' work and a browser add-on for spelling and punctuation. Also worth noting is the personal insult: he is still angry because he knows I reported him.
On the other hand, I've never seen Speccy attempt something creative before, and this certainly seems to be such an attempt. That, coupled with the fact that Speccy isn't currently banned, is why I just don't see a reason to think it's him and not Jill. -
2018-03-31 at 4:29 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws I know I just totally pulled all that out of my ass lol. Had no idea where I was going with that when I first brought up the whale thing.
Christ this thread is long huh
Lol, you sounded like you had a specific argument in mind, I was legit sitting at my keyboard for fifteen minutes trying to anticipate your direction before I just went along with the questioning. -
2018-03-31 at 2:36 AM UTC in What are you drinking?A dry, Argentinian red blend, to celebrate a great triumph over my vampire sister.
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2018-03-31 at 2:28 AM UTC in Lanny: BBS Hitman For Hire!!
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2018-03-31 at 2:18 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws I thought the authorities take it somewhere. Haven’t you seen those vids of whales exploding on the back of trucks and stuff.
Not really, I'm not so enthusiastic about marine life in general. I have heard of dynamite being used, but I don't know if it's the preferred way to deal with dead whales or not. I think it depends on what stage of decomposition, how large a carcass, etc.Anyway here’s my point:
You make the assumption that most animals, even insects, have the desire to live and because of that we have an obligation to stop killing animals and eating their meat.
So basically your argument is this:
1. We cannot know for sure WHAT animals want, but can make a reasonably educated guess from their behavior that they want to live.
2. Under this assumption, we should cease all killing of animals and the consumption of their bodies.
BUT in the example mentioned above it is just as reasonable to assume that a whale, which is a highly intelligent creature, may have ended up on the beach on purpose because it wants to die. There is research to support this idea.
So my argument is this:
It’s just as reasonable to assume that a beached whale wants to die and is trying to commit suicide, as it is to assume it ended up there by accident and wants to live. So by saving it you are actually running a high risk of not honoring its status as a moral agent. How do you justify that
Why would you think it's "just as reasonable" to infer that it attempted suicide? We don't know their specific intention when we find them on the beach, but that doesn't make it ethically permissible to assign one arbitrarily. Do you have a reason to think that it's equally likely that they're committing suicide as opposed to simply misnavigating, or even some cause you can't discern at all?
If you know differently, and you can establish solid inferences and probabilities about this behavior, I think this is where you would want to offer a source.
It doesn't have to be just marine animals that present this dilemma: suppose you found me on the beach, unconscious, with a needle in my arm. You can't tell any better than with the whale whether I was trying to die or if this is a sad misadventure. Even if you do have a strong reason to suspect it was an attempted suicide, I think that a standard utilitarian argument would inform you that the most ethical course of action is to get help in the event that it's not. -
2018-03-31 at 1:34 AM UTC in Gang Stalking full throttle
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2018-03-31 at 1:14 AM UTC in Lanny: BBS Hitman For Hire!!Please don't turn my name upside down. I won't do it to you, either.
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2018-03-31 at 1:11 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws What if it was trying to commit suicide? As a moral agent they should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to live or die right?
It depends on your view of suicide. Personally, I think it's okay, and I think whales are probably some of the better candidates for moral agency so that you might expect this decision to be possible. But I don't think I have the ability to verify whether or not a whale is trying to die, so I'd call the authorities regardless. It can try to beach itself again another day, maybe on another beach. That's the easy part about suicide: someone can intervene, but eventually, you'll be alone and still ready.Secondly, if it’s dead why does it need to go back again?
For decomposition. At least, I'm reasonably sure that's how it's best done. Or maybe it's not, but if it's dead when I find it then what I do with the carcass is likely immaterial to this debate. -
2018-03-31 at 12:55 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Fox Paws ON TOPIC, Zanick if you saw a beached whale dying would you try to push it back in the ocean?
I’m just trying to establish a common ground here before I make my point
I don't think that's advisable for myself or the whale. IIRC, you're supposed to make sure its blowhole is unobstructed and call the proper authorities. But yeah, alive or dead it needs to go back. -
2018-03-29 at 7:02 AM UTC in I'm a good guy I'll put this in HB where it belongs leave me alone e
Originally posted by Fox Paws Yeah I’m just waiting for transhumanism to become more mainstream so they come out with technological immortality and I’ll just download all the entertainment I need directly into my brain augmentation implant via terabit wifi
That's optimistic. I'm of the opinion that we'll suffer an extinction event long before we could ever hope to actualize the most anticipated fruits of transhumanism. Still, I'd also like to download and consume media the way you described. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope that I find out I'm wrong before I die. -
2018-03-29 at 6:49 AM UTC in My take on Guns
Originally posted by Fox Paws You already live in a society of idiots lmao.
I like you Zan-Zan but you’re like one of the most naive people I’ve ever encountered
Nah, there are a few people who aren't idiots that I'm lucky to interact with often. Some of them are you guys! You're one, as well.
I'm just suspicious of people who prepare for the end of the world by acquiring the sort of weaponry that could mow down a bunch of people, and who believe I should be thankful for their foresight before it can be proven useful. -
2018-03-29 at 6:35 AM UTC in What's the deal with Satanic Ritual Abuse anyway?The FBI conducted a pretty thorough investigation. My understanding was that their findings revealed some actual abuse going on in a few places which got overshadowed by the spectre of Satanic hysteria. There are accounts from survivors that I've heard on YouTube also, so I really do have to wonder what the truth really is.
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2018-03-28 at 3:07 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Wow, every word is the same as the last time you posted it, but I feel even dumber than the first time I read it. You are truly an innovator of stupidity.
Lanny, I really wanted this thread to hit 1,000 posts at one point, but over the last dozen pages or so I've come to realize all the serious posters are tired of it, and only the idiots keep coming back. Would you be willing to lock it? -
2018-03-28 at 3:01 PM UTC in Is honey vegan?
Originally posted by 杀死所有的白魔鬼 So Zanick, is eating fruit not vegan then either? Farmers often bring in bees to their orchards to pollinate their fruit. I imagine the conditions for these bees are much the same as in a honey farm (albeit, less cramped.)
Furthermore, do you really think the feelings of a bee are significant enough to base your moral beliefs around? Because personally, I don't think they really 'feel' anything. They simply react. I want you to separate your answer to this question from whether or not the feelings of the bee are relevant. If I could ensure you the bees felt nothing, and that they suffered none, would it be morally just then?
I'm personally not a champion of the honey issue, or particularly knowledgeable about bees, but I don't believe you have access to bees' qualia and I'm inclined to think that one cannot disprove the possibility that they suffer. You could say I'm agnostic on the issue and would prefer to be cautious in my treatment of them. Some vegetarians would accept that certain animals don't feel pain, but I'm not convinced that we can be certain that suffering is absent.
I don't subscribe to a hierarchy of animal life, so I don't see bees as insignificant and I do account for their feelings in my moral choices. We have no existential requirement to harm them, and it's in our interest to protect them as well.
As for farmers who bring bees on their property, I personally don't care that much as long as they transport them safely and give them lots of space. Maybe there are other needs bees have that I'm not aware of, but I'd think a big orchard would make them very happy.
Originally posted by infinityshock youre literally a fucking retard.
Yes, you've made that point several times now. On another note, I'm starting to think you don't own a thesaurus.if nature didnt intend for a substance or organism to be nutritionally viable for the human physiology there would be measures in place to prevent the substances consumption. for an example, go try to eat a dendrobatidae frog for a first hand lesson on natures own instruction manual.
Do you actually believe nature has intentions and intervenes with intelligent precision in the world to make them known? Are you really that stupid? I do like to joke that you didn't graduate elementary school, but before I saw this I actually thought you could just be a willfully ignorant high school graduate. I can see that assumption was incorrect.when bees are incapable of producing sufficient honey due to lack of sufficient pollen, the bee keepers provide the bees with a man-made (see that? MANMADE) replacement to sustain them until there is sufficient pollen.
Their honey is ideal for their nutritional needs, which is why they produce it. Why can't we eat our manmade honey replacement instead? We have no biological need for their honey, and they definitely don't want or need our substitute.youre an well read retard
http://www.thesaurus.com
Originally posted by infinityshock youre an well read retard.
what exactly does livestock consume, exactly, you well read retard.
brainless dumbfuck
Livestock consume crops, a lot more than we do. If we didn't have livestock, the impact of our agricultre would be reduced substantially. -
2018-03-28 at 5:12 AM UTC in Tell us about how high you are.
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2018-03-28 at 5:10 AM UTC in Tell us about how high you are.
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2018-03-28 at 5:02 AM UTC in Tell us about how high you are.I just chewed up all of my sister's candy and spit it in the garbage.
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2018-03-28 at 4:54 AM UTC in Just a quick poll
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2018-03-28 at 4:23 AM UTC in Just a quick poll
Originally posted by mmQ What's interesting, at least to me, is how I've been recently ESPECIALLY as related to TRT. I don't even ever click it anymore, or if I do, I read a few lines and move along. I MEAN, ITS TRT, and I often was an dhave been involved in more dedicatedly?. but have not recently, and it MOVES SO FAST, to me, that I don't even bother now. I'm so behind. That's some weird pyschology. I don't post in it recently because I'm not UP TO BREAST.
haha
It does move quickly, but I've found that each 'topic' usually doesn't last more than a couple of pages, at max threads per page. I just skim the last three or four until I read something I want to reply to.
As for TRT as a case study in group psychology - I've never thought if it that way, but I think you might be onto something. You could design the experiment, I'd gather the data, and Sploo could administer the psychometrics. When we're done, we could submit it to academic journals or just free publish that shit for forum reference everywhere.
I don't know, man, these all might be bad ideas tbh. I've just broken through my weed tolerance threshold spectacularly and things are getting weird. -
2018-03-28 at 4:06 AM UTC in Just a quick pollI generally try to look through each thread, but when I'm stressed or overburdened or have to ration my internet use for whatever reason, I'll prioritize the threads I'm presently involved in and those which capture my immediate interest over others. Twice a week or so, I make it a point to flip through TRT to keep up with Malice's academics and catch up on gossip.
