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2018-04-04 at 5:31 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe There's not really anything to discuss - you made a claim and have failed to demonstrate it. You keep insisting that "this is unethical" and "we ought to do that" but you have not shown these claims to be true. There is nothing to take refuge from, you don't have an argument. You claim we have a moral obligation, your job is to demonstrate this. You cannot do this because morality is relative. There is nothing else left to say.
If you don't think I've demonstrated my argument's truth sufficiently, and furthermore, you don't even think it's possible, and that there's nothing left to say, then why are you wasting your time in here? -
2018-04-04 at 5:22 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop posting in zanick's gay ass meat thread.Every time a metathread gets made in response to my thread, it gets bigger and more important and furthers the cause. It's like a landfill, you won't get rid of it, you'll just keep contributing until it covers everything you love. There is no escape, meat will be illegal.
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2018-04-04 at 5:20 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe Ok.
If you made this thread and said "these are the reasons I choose to not eat meat," or "we shouldn't eat meat for these reasons," I probably never would have posted at all. But when you claimed that we have a moral obligation to stop eating meat, well, you're wrong. That's not true. Nobody has a moral obligation to stop eating meat.
Even if the government banned meat, nobody would have a moral obligation to not eat meat. You don't seem to want to talk about morality at all anymore and are now being rather silly. I guess you don't have a real argument after all.
Ethically speaking, eating meat is wrong because it supports an industry of exploitation, cruelty, and death. You have a choice of what to do with your money, and you ought to spend it in ways that don't further the suffering of innocent creatures. I've said this to you about a dozen different ways.
There's room for a little on-topic silliness in a thousand post discussion thread, lighten up. This got as long as it did because I made a strong claim in the title. I know it's bothering you, but that's the only reason you're in here right now, torturing me with circular reasoning. Why don't you try joining the discussion? It seems as though you like philosophy, so engage us on these claims, rather saying that we aren't trying, pronouncing yourself the victor and taking refuge in relativism again and again. -
2018-04-04 at 5:04 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader i live in 3rd world country, on a corner somewhere in the map near the end of the world.
how the fuck do you not already know this and live without been bestowed with darwin awards first ????
What... Who the hell are you?no, choosing not to choose is not a choice.
i asked you whether youd dedicate all your money to end hunger in 3rd world hellhole or end meat-animal cruelty in the 1st world country.
choose either one.
Generally, I try not to put a spotlight on shitty reasoning, but you're particularly insistent: I am not in any way obligated to accept your false dilemma. I have enough money to give to both of those causes, and I'd sleep better at night for it. -
2018-04-04 at 4:43 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader no. there are animal cruelty laws that covers even food animals over your there. there.
there are no law regarding treatment of meat animals here.
Where is "over your there."?
Are you trying to say that animal cruelty laws vary according to country, but that it's a worse problem here? That's what it looks like, but I can't imagine you're trying to make my point for me. Would you mind rephrasing this post into something arguable?
yes. reread what you typed.
Okay, I reread it. Essentially what I've said is that although hunger in the third world is very important, animal rights groups in the United States should focus on animal rights violations happening in the United States and that I'd happily donate my money to both of them. This is like the third time I've said this now, and you can't seem to get past the fact that your fallacy didn't entrap me as you'd hoped.no, there is no known organization that champions to END HUNGER IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES AND END MEAT ANIMAL CRUELTY IN THE FIRST.
NEIN.
Why would they want to do both of those things, so that they can receive the same donation for two separate causes? Do you know how nonprofits work, dude? -
2018-04-04 at 4:33 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe
Like it not, you're a part of this moment. I realize you'd prefer to keep eating meat, but when my world government outlaws the practice, I expect that you'll proudly say you were in the thread that started it all.
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Shut the fuck up, for real…
As opposed to the several dozen times you told me to shut up, which were fake?
You still haven't supplied either Lanny or me with a justification for your elementary distinction between morality and ethics. Just in case you're still not sure, I have an ethical position which I believe morally obligates you to do something, and you can think of that in terms of the regular transaction by which people convince others to do things that are right. -
2018-04-04 at 4:23 PM UTC in creep catchers lolFor the first minute or so of these videos during which the pedophile isn't talking, I always wonder if they've just cold-approached some rando civilian with accusations of child grooming.
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2018-04-04 at 4:19 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop posting in zanick's gay ass meat thread.You can try if you think that will work. I tried. It didn't work. I think we should kill it another way: everyone should start posting in it even more, filling it with increasingly relevant content until it's oversaturated, choking itself to death on the swollen fruits of meaningful discussion.
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2018-04-04 at 2:08 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatWe've hit a thousand!
Welcome to the club, niggas. This is officially the longest conversation about animal rights on the internet. Tomorrow's animal liberation scholars will be citing our arguments in their papers. That we have achieved one thousand posts here is a supreme testament to our belief in a better world for all earthly beings, human and nonhuman alike. May we continue to two-thousand, and three, and on until everyone is talking about it. This isn't the end, my niggas, this is only the beginning. -
2018-04-04 at 5:32 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader people in 3rd world countries are living in shittier conditions than people who lives in the 1st world countries and you think somehow, by miracle, their animals are living in better conditions and being treated better than their fellow animals in the 1st world countries ???
srsly.
Your assessment is opposite reality. Our sophistication has only made us more efficient at exploiting and killing them.this contradicks with this.
on one hand your saying that youd prefer to concentrate on those things that happen in the US and on the other your saying that youd fund BOTH ???
and its nice to know you hold animals as high in regard as people in the 3rd world shitholes.
There's no conflict whatsoever. I think that animal rights activists in the US would be most effective in focusing on the issues here, for the reasons I stated. I would rather donate to organizations that champion both of those causes, not one of them. And yes, I believe animals should have inherent rights like humans, and similarly, they shouldn't be exploited, butchered, and consumed. -
2018-04-04 at 4:23 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader do you even live in the real world and know what your talking about ???
meats are extremely costly in the 3rd world countries and the staple food here are plants.
plants are what we eat for sustenance and meats are luxuries.
I didn't specifically have meat in mind, but anything that can be produced locally is valuable in many parts of the world. Eggs, milk, and meat obtained on such a small scale shouldn't warrant our attention as much as a factory farm in my own country, because not only is scale massively different, the cruelty is markedly different. They are in no way equivalent.so your saying that causing extreme sufferings to the animals on a small scale is acceptable, yes ????
will genocide on a small / smaller scale also morally acceptable to you ???
I believe I've been clear in saying that it's not acceptable to me in any case, but in practical terms, a movement with finite resources ought to direct their efforts first to the most egregious violations - incidentally, much of it is concentrated here in the United States.do you prefer to use the fundings to end animal suffering in the 1st world or end hunger in the 3rd and 4th world shithole ???
and explain the morality behind your reasoning/s.
How about I not play into your gay fallacy and donate to both of them? Moral agents are in dire need either way, and I'm getting by pretty well with a car and a home. -
2018-04-04 at 3:58 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe I think I'm ok with that.
Ok. I guess I will just continue to think thay morality is relative and thay nobody has any moral obligation to stop eating meat then.
Dude, I'm not sure what the deal is, but you give this response to a lot of claims that actually merit a more thorough refutation. It doesn't promote discussion, and it's frustrating. I think you can do better than that. -
2018-04-02 at 9:28 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader so your saying that the value of morality is dependent on living standards ???
No, that is not what I'm saying. Some places in the world have become dependent on animal products, but lack the infrastructure to easily transition toward plant-based alternatives without harming their own population considerably. At the same time, very poor countries with problems in their food supply generally won't have the resources to slaughter animals on the massive scale we've seen in the US. It would be ideal if they did eventually embrace animal rights, but until relieving impoverished countries of their supply problems becomes somewhat easier, we should focus our political capital toward changing those countries who can unquestionably afford it.
If you're trying to suggest that we should prioritize every region of the world equally when we promote animal rights, I would say you have a generous perception of the funding and participation that goes into my cause. We have limited resources, so it's important to spend them where they're expected to do the most good. -
2018-04-02 at 7:50 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by benny vader zanick, serious question :
why do you think people in 3rd world countries deserve to have this moral obligation waived ???
are we free to eat meat without any moral obligations becos were barbaric ???? becos were lesser human beings ???
are we mere beasts in your eyes ???
I specified first world countries because there are places in the world where people don't have access to plant-based alternatives. Asking people who live in abject poverty to make a significant dietary change isn't the way to make the world better for animals, given that most of the murder happens in countries whose people can invest more capital in the activity. -
2018-04-02 at 6:27 AM UTC in What is this. A Thing?
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2018-04-02 at 6:20 AM UTC in What is this. A Thing?
Originally posted by Fox Paws Is that who your thread was about?
https://niggasin.space/thread/22237
No. I need different people at different times, and for different reasons. I'm a very busy man. -
2018-04-02 at 6:12 AM UTC in What is this. A Thing?stupidnoob kept me waiting, not cool man
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2018-04-02 at 6:07 AM UTC in What is this. A Thing?For legal purposes, you can consider us as representing Lanny, our administrator. He actually pays all of us to defame the jedi faith.
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2018-04-02 at 5:36 AM UTC in I might be getting my 'first' ever golden shower tomorrowYou should set up a standing appointment to be urinated on every couple of weeks and keep a journal about how it makes you feel after each time.
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2018-04-02 at 5:14 AM UTC in Hey, for realz, what's the point of strip clubs?
Originally posted by Fox Paws Well now you gotta say something
I was barely old enough to even to go to a strip club, at the time. My best friend's first serious girlfriend had just broken up with him, and he was really upset. I cashed in my biweekly paycheck for a few hundred singles, picked him up and didn't tell him where we were going. I had looked at reviews online, and I'd found the skankiest club in the tri-state area: fully nude, touching allowed, outside drinks permitted. We were meant to be there, I knew it because every light turned green for me on the way. When we got there, it was pretty much what I had expected: $6 water bottles, very dark lighting, and people throwing singles at naked ladies.
The girls were ridiculously attractive, they made my high school's volleyball team look like a zoo. One of them came over and sat in my lap, introducing herself as "I--z." She traced circles on my chest while she was talking. I'm reasonably handsome, but I don't see this much attention from a 10 outside of my professional life unless she has poor judgment or mental illness. I--z didn't appear to have either, from what I could tell. In fact, she was rather funny and a good conversationalist. We eventually arrived at a natural silence, and then she reached up with her hand and turned my face toward her eyes, and asked me if I'd like a dance. I didn't know what to say, I'd never wanted to dance with a woman before. I just asked, "What, here?" She laughed at me and told me that there was a room in the back.
We got into the room and I asked I--z why there was only one chair, and she told me it was so that I could sit in it. Then she got naked and asked me for $40. I gave her the money, and she started grinding on me. I'm not sure if that's the right way to put it, but it was really weird and I didn't want to be rude to her, so I started talking. I asked her what she likes to do in her free time. She said that she's pretty outdoorsy, hiking, camping, etc. I thought that was pretty cool and I told her about how I was a Boy Scout. She said that was really weird, but I think it was weirder that we spent the rest of the song in silence tbh. I made friends with all the strippers, actually; by the end of the night, I knew each of their names and what they were studying in college. I never ejaculated. My friends told me I did it wrong, but I had a nice time.
EDIT: Names omitted.
