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2018-05-25 at 7:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra This doesn't appear to have been picked up by any major news outlets yet, and I'm interested to see how Syria will respond this time.
https://www.rt.com/news/427707-syria-missile-attack-airbase/
SAA claimed they intercepted all missiles but local sources report explosions - could potentially have been from the interceptions, but early info was that some missiles got through.
Russian diplomatic flight left Tel Aviv 8 hours ago, following which there's apparently high RuAF activity along the Syrian coast -
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2018-05-25 at 8:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra https://www.rt.com/news/427707-syria-missile-attack-airbase/
SAA claimed they intercepted all missiles but local sources report explosions - could potentially have been from the interceptions, but early info was that some missiles got through.
Lebanese news is reporting two aircraft entered their airspace and each fired 1 rocket, both of which were intercepted. -
2018-05-25 at 11:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by yum We should be friends aldra. I literally try to steer 80% of my conversations towards geopolitical conflicts. I didn't read this thread because it's late and I'm on my phone but I will tomorrow and then we will solve everything
Originally posted by aldra I don't
most people are mongs who shut down as soon as you say something they don't agree with, like 'hezbullah is not a terrorist organisation'
I used to love talking about politics and world events until this last election, now I can't stand it
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2018-05-25 at 6:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I don't
most people are mongs who shut down as soon as you say something they don't agree with, like 'hezbullah is not a terrorist organisation'
no, your doing it wrong.
thats the exact kind of reaction you should enjoy and cherish and thats exactly the purpose and end of humanitys pursuit of knowledge ;
informational rape.
the more their shutting down the more you should tell them. -
2018-05-26 at 7:54 PM UTCThe DPR and LPR have successfully become transnistria. Lebanon is becoming more of a powerhouse and Hezbollah is maintaining its Girl, Syria is relatively government controlled in the West and South. Did the SDF finally get the road through Home? I have been so out of the loop. Crimea isn't going anywhere, nor should it. Russia's geopolitical aspirations are so much more successful than their domestic ones. Their youth are so restive now they have to at least look like they're cracking down on corruption and decentralize their resources or there's going to be no one to blame but Putin. I'd like to see the EU Russian sanctions lifted in mutually beneficial fashion because no one can rely on the US right now. That strike in Syria was the weakest posturing pot shot of all-time, completely empty. If they took out a general in Damascus they'd at least be sending a message. All that strike said was the US is trying it's best to look like it's not in Russia's pocket
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2018-05-26 at 10:07 PM UTCWrong. This thread is all wrong and amounts to nothing more than war fan-fiction.
People need to learn to ignore this sort of misinformation. -
2018-05-27 at 1:58 AM UTC
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2018-05-27 at 4:03 AM UTC
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2018-05-27 at 4:16 AM UTC
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2018-05-27 at 6:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by yum The DPR and LPR have successfully become transnistria.
Not yet. That whole situation has been extremely tense for a while; Porky's taken shipments of US ATGMs as a signal that he has their support in raising the tone of the conflict. The coup-imposed government is not interested in any peaceful settlement, and if they indicated they were they'd likely be hanged by the ultra-nationalists that fill the 'volunteer battalions'. It's more or less why they continue to make so much noise about Crimea; they know they're never getting it back but they can't appear to let it go.
Putin's kept assistance to the region to a minimum, but he's been gradually facing more flak for 'abandoning Donetsk' and allowing them to continue bleeding. If the military operation continues to intensify he'll need to make a more definitive choice.Lebanon is becoming more of a powerhouse and Hezbollah is maintaining its Girl,
Hez has created a coalition with a socialist party from memory, together they dominate the parliament. It's going to be very difficult for the gulf states to stop them rebuilding the military, so we can probably expect the instigation of another civil war sometime soon.Syria is relatively government controlled in the West and South. Did the SDF finally get the road through Home? I have been so out of the loop.
Homs? SDF's nowhere near there. I don't think they've made a lot of progress anywhere lately, Turkey's kicking them out of northern towns and the areas they occupy are fleeing and striking in response to the SDF pressing virtually all local men (and boys) into service.Crimea isn't going anywhere, nor should it. Russia's geopolitical aspirations are so much more successful than their domestic ones. Their youth are so restive now they have to at least look like they're cracking down on corruption and decentralize their resources or there's going to be no one to blame but Putin.
They are making a lot of domestic changes. Have a look into how much Russia's agricultural (specifically wheat) market share has increased since the sanctions and fuel price manipulations, and the massive anti-corruption purges in Dagestan at the moment.I'd like to see the EU Russian sanctions lifted in mutually beneficial fashion because no one can rely on the US right now.
Germany and France are adhering to the JCPOA even though the US is threatening to sanction companies doing business with Iran, to the point where the French government is subsidising the resulting corporate losses. Germany is going full steam ahead with the Nord Stream pipelines even in the face of US sanctions. They appear to finally realise that US foreign policy only factors in US (and Israeli) interests, regardless of the flowery talk of 'partnership' and 'special friendships' or whatever else.That strike in Syria was the weakest posturing pot shot of all-time, completely empty. If they took out a general in Damascus they'd at least be sending a message. All that strike said was the US is trying it's best to look like it's not in Russia's pocket
I posted a lot about this already so I won't repeat it all, but the reason for that strike is that Trump talked all sorts of shit based on extremely poor intelligence, to the point where he felt he couldn't back down or admit his mistake. The next best option in his mind was a completely ineffectual strike (anonymous sources indicate that Mattis talked him down from massive strikes against core infrastructure which would almost certainly lead to a wider war) that carefully avoided getting Russia involved, but which actually turned out to be far, far worse than doing nothing at all -
1. The majority of the missiles used were intercepted by Syrian AA units, making the attack look extremely ineffectual
2. Russia was able to disable and capture two missiles seemingly intact - one being the current, modernised Tomahawk and the other being the JASSM - if they're able to understand how they operate and find weaknesses, that's billions of dollars of R&D literally burnt -
2018-05-27 at 6:32 PM UTCjedi Goldstein is Scronaldo. Stop feeding the troll. Don't shit up the thread.
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2018-05-27 at 7:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra 2. Russia was able to disable and capture two missiles seemingly intact - one being the current, modernised Tomahawk and the other being the JASSM - if they're able to understand how they operate and find weaknesses, that's billions of dollars of R&D literally burnt
didnt they already knew how they work and hence thier ability to disable them ??? -
2018-05-27 at 7:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader didnt they already knew how they work and hence thier ability to disable them ???
to an extent. from what I've read (this is really only a guess) I think that the main way Russia's been able to interfere with Tomahawks is by feeding them false GPS/terrain data in the final phase of flight where the missile finds its own path to the target - telling it the target's inside a mountain (that doesn't really exist) would cause bizarre behaviour for example.
Actually having a sample to take apart would give them access to the code - how the missile behaves, how it avoids threats and seeks targets, down to an incredibly fine detail. I mean, imagine if there were unprotected buffers in the part of the system that reads radio waves or GPS signals - by exploiting them you could shut down all of the missile's systems in midair at any phase of flight simply by bouncing a signal off of it, a signal that it couldn't ignore. Anyone with a radio transmitter (SDR card and a decent antenna) could do it too. The manufacturer would have to rewrite the code properly and update every single missile sold, or face the fact that it's now possible for a kid with a laptop and a yagi antenna to drop them into the ocean or back onto your flight deck. -
2018-05-27 at 7:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra to an extent. from what I've read (this is really only a guess) I think that the main way Russia's been able to interfere with Tomahawks is by feeding them false GPS/terrain data in the final phase of flight where the missile finds its own path to the target - telling it the target's inside a mountain (that doesn't really exist) would cause bizarre behaviour for example.
Actually having a sample to take apart would give them access to the code - how the missile behaves, how it avoids threats and seeks targets, down to an incredibly fine detail. I mean, imagine if there were unprotected buffers in the part of the system that reads radio waves or GPS signals - by exploiting them you could shut down all of the missile's systems in midair at any phase of flight simply by bouncing a signal off of it, a signal that it couldn't ignore. Anyone with a radio transmitter (SDR card and a decent antenna) could do it too. The manufacturer would have to rewrite the code properly and update every single missile sold, or face the fact that it's now possible for a kid with a laptop and a yagi antenna to drop them into the ocean or back onto your flight deck.
this is quite mind blowing, being able to project and feed fake gps signal onto a moving object.
not much avenue to read from either about how missiles are being disabled. -
2018-05-27 at 8:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Honestly I had high hopes for him when he was elected that have since evaporated, but it's not easy to change the status quo and it doesn't really seem like he ever sincerely intended to. That and the president apparently has even less practical power than I thought over the 'deep state'.
Still, regardless of whether you like him or not he's far better than the alternative
Basically anybody would've been better. Time and time again, Trump weakens the US's position in the world. The Iran deal, the Paris agreement, now this shit with NK. He's making the US look like a little bitch instead of a bully. -
2018-05-27 at 8:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by gumbo Basically anybody would've been better. Time and time again, Trump weakens the US's position in the world. The Iran deal, the Paris agreement, now this shit with NK. He's making the US look like a little bitch instead of a bully.
your wrong about this just as your wrong about your prospect as a father. -
2018-05-27 at 9:01 PM UTCYes, I'm wrong about Trump weakening the US position. That's why Xi is holding an alternative conference with both Korean leaders in China about nuclear disarmament.
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2018-05-28 at 4:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by gumbo Basically anybody would've been better. Time and time again, Trump weakens the US's position in the world. The Iran deal, the Paris agreement, now this shit with NK. He's making the US look like a little bitch instead of a bully.
We need to bring back to the US all manufacturing and agriculture that the US needs, then close all doors and go back into isolationism. The world is going to hell at an incredible rate, time to close off from it. Anybody who doesn't like it has one month to leave.
That way, Israel has to fight their own damn wars and we don't have to rely on anybody anywhere for anything. And a large portion of the violence and bloodshed in the world today is directly the fault of the US, if we close doors it should go away.
But yeah, I'm extremely disappointed in Trump. He's doing exactly what we elected him not to do. He seems like his heart is in the right place but his brain is MIA or he's being fed bullshit information
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2018-05-28 at 7:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by gumbo Basically anybody would've been better. Time and time again, Trump weakens the US's position in the world. The Iran deal, the Paris agreement, now this shit with NK. He's making the US look like a little bitch instead of a bully.
There were good reasons to leave the Paris agreement.
Maybe Gary or Jill would've been better, but realistically it was between Donny and Hillary, and Hillary would've done much of the same in terms of foreign 'relations' only much faster and more recklessly.
