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Conflict Shitpile III - Diplomacy Defunct Edition
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2017-10-17 at 2:24 AM UTCmy question is what is the powerful entity that drive the man to fight,,, what is who nurtures him thruogh the violences
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2017-10-17 at 2:25 AM UTCI'm retarded!
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2017-10-17 at 2:26 AM UTC
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2017-10-17 at 2:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Oh.
SYRIA - Israeli jet entered Syrian airspace from Lebanon, promptly caught a SAM and 'was forced to flee', hopefully vertically. I'd suspect it was a Pantsir that hit it considering an s-x00 is big enough that a direct hit would tear a jet apart mid-air, and the only fleeing it'd be doing would be in several opposing directions simultaneously.
jedis responded by attacking the site with standoff missiles from the Golan, SAA reported 'some material damage'.
the jedi-media reports it as an SA-5 -
2017-10-17 at 2:31 AM UTC
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2017-10-17 at 4:30 AM UTC
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2017-10-17 at 4:49 AM UTCI wanna go to Rojava and join up.
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2017-10-17 at 11:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery I wanna go to Rojava and join up.
you'll probably get vaporised by Russian submarine-launched missiles in the near future
speaking of,
SYRIA - LOL.
As mentioned earlier SAA anti-air defences (confrimed an S200 missile battery) hit an Israeli target headed in from Lebanon. SAA sources now confirm what they hit was an F-35, critically damaging and forcing it down but not destroying it outright. Israel is claiming that it wasn't a Syrian missile but a flock of birds that brought the plane down, like that's somehow less embarrassing for them.
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2017-10-17 at 11:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra SAA anti-air defences (confrimed an S200 missile battery) hit an Israeli target…
pics or it didn't happen.
the only information that jedi-media publishes is lies. they will lie literally for no reason at all. generally theyll make up some dumbass justification for the lies and falsehoods that in their own degenerate minds is plausible but for the sane people the only valid response is a look of disgust and pity. -
2017-10-18 at 12:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock pics or it didn't happen.
the only information that jedi-media publishes is lies. they will lie literally for no reason at all. generally theyll make up some dumbass justification for the lies and falsehoods that in their own degenerate minds is plausible but for the sane people the only valid response is a look of disgust and pity.
1. Both Israeli and Syrian state media report that an Israeli jet entered Syrian airspace via Lebanon and was engaged by Syrian anti-air systems.
2. SAA sources claim a confirmed hit with the S200, damaging the target and forcing it to flee without specifying what type of plane it was. Israeli state media reports that their plane was engaged but not hit.
3. Syria has a tantrum and attacks the Syrian missile battery with standoff missiles claiming that their jet was just on 'routine flights' (contravening both Lebanese and Syrian airspace) - unusual measure but not unheard of.
4. Several hours later Israeli state media reports that their only operation F-35 is no longer operational due to 'collision with a flock of birds'.
Also: This all happened during the Russian Defence minister's planned visit to Israel to discuss regional security. A popular theory is that Israel meant to demonstrate a strike with their new toy and fucked up horrendously, embarrassing themselves and the entire F-35 project in the process.
So... Not 100% confirmed, but the evidence is there without having to make any major leaps of faith.
https://southfront.org/israel-hiding-state-art-f-35-warplane-hit-syrian-s-200-missile-reports/ -
2017-10-18 at 2:14 AM UTCAlso - unverified - SAA sources are indicating that the Israeli missile attack was defeated by ECMs, and they only did minor/temporary damage to a static radar array.
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2017-10-18 at 3:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra 1. Both Israeli and Syrian state media report that an Israeli jet entered Syrian airspace via Lebanon and was engaged by Syrian anti-air systems.
2. SAA sources claim a confirmed hit with the S200, damaging the target and forcing it to flee without specifying what type of plane it was. Israeli state media reports that their plane was engaged but not hit.
3. Syria has a tantrum and attacks the Syrian missile battery with standoff missiles claiming that their jet was just on 'routine flights' (contravening both Lebanese and Syrian airspace) - unusual measure but not unheard of.
4. Several hours later Israeli state media reports that their only operation F-35 is no longer operational due to 'collision with a flock of birds'.
Also: This all happened during the Russian Defence minister's planned visit to Israel to discuss regional security. A popular theory is that Israel meant to demonstrate a strike with their new toy and fucked up horrendously, embarrassing themselves and the entire F-35 project in the process.
So… Not 100% confirmed, but the evidence is there without having to make any major leaps of faith.
https://southfront.org/israel-hiding-state-art-f-35-warplane-hit-syrian-s-200-missile-reports/
Originally posted by aldra Also - unverified - SAA sources are indicating that the Israeli missile attack was defeated by ECMs, and they only did minor/temporary damage to a static radar array.
im calling the bullshit flag on the alleged claim that the F35 is no longer capable of being operational due to the stealth coating being damaged from an errant birdie. humoring the claim...the coating is little more than glorified rhino-coat-esque uber-thick paint. yes, that is a hyper-simplified definition, but the point is a damaged coating can be repaired the same as any composite repairs on any other modern aircraft, followed by return to service. if...IF...the aircraft were damaged to the point of being permanently grounded, my assessment is it would be due to the 20,000-feet-per-second-ish BBs from a detonating SA-5 that ruined systems to the point of being non-repairable within cost/technology constraints.
without pics or some other proof im more inclined to believe juden-land media is lying...because thats all they do.
im also skeptical because an SA-5 is a fucking flying tanker in terms of SAMs. they were designed in the olden days to shoot down long-range bombers that dont have any maneuverability before they were in range to release their payloads. (granted, my in-depth knowledge of these things is from the olden days too so they may have been (probably were) upgraded with features i have no clue about.) if it was a passenger jet (for fun times, go google about how the russkies used an SA-5 to oopsie-splash a fully loaded passenger jet) i would be wholeheartedly be onboard the jedi-plane-went-splashie train...but from what i know about SA-5s theyre relatively 'easy' (easy when compared to other SAMs) to evade. that...and a single 'arrow' would have zero problems engaging one...multiple 'arrows'...or even 'iron dome' depending on range...would have an almost guaranteed success of intercept.
if an SA-5, an antique and almost obsolete missile, did hit* an F-35, the most advanced/sophisticated combat aircraft currently deployed, someone needs to have their balls removed and set upon someone elses mantle.
*an SA-5 has a massive warhead in comparison to other SAMs. due to its size and focused fragmenting warhead, even a proximity detonation has a good chance of at least damaging its intended target.
google-translate of the juden-land media article:First publication: "Adir" plane was grounded because of a bird hit
The Air Force fears that the F-35 evader, considered the most advanced in the world, has lost its capabilities and is waiting for Lockheed Martin's opinion
Amir Bar Shalom
October 16, 2017
19:00
An Israeli stealth aircraft of the F-35 (Adir), considered to be the most advanced in the world, was hit two weeks ago during a bird-training exercise - this was reported for the first time in the program "Seven Current" here 11. There were no casualties in the incident and the pilot managed to land the The plane is safe. However, the plane is grounded since the incident and it is unclear when it will resume activity - if at all.
The Air Force fears that despite the planned re-use of the evaporator, it is not clear whether it will retain its evasive ability. The IDF confirmed the details and said that at no stage was life threatening to the pilot and are now awaiting the opinion of Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the plane, regarding the extent of the damage caused to it.
Today, the Air Force has seven huge planes, each costing $ 110 million. In August, a deal was completed for the purchase of another 17 such aircraft for the Israeli Air Force, and in total, 50 such aircraft will be served in two pilots. The total amount of the deal to purchase the 50 aircraft is estimated at seven billion dollars.
The IDF Spokesperson's Office stated: "These allegations are incorrect. In preparation for a routine landing of the F-35, two injuries were found in the fuselage following a collision with the birds. The plane made a normal landing at the base and was sent to the usual maintenance treatment following such injuries. The plane will be used and will return for flight in the coming days. "
"In terms of damage to a bird, there is no difference between hitting 35 or any other aircraft - the risk is the same risk," said Neri Yarkoni, a reserve colonel in the reserves. "What you have to do is simply not meet them, you can keep them away from the takeoff and landings, and the paths of bird migration are pretty constant," he said.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-10-18 at 3:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock im also skeptical because an SA-5 is a fucking flying tanker in terms of SAMs. they were designed in the olden days to shoot down long-range bombers that dont have any maneuverability before they were in range to release their payloads. (granted, my in-depth knowledge of these things is from the olden days too so they may have been (probably were)
I did a lot of reading about Russian SAM capabilities after that Malaysian jet went down over the Ukraine; as best I can tell (in regards to the old Soviet units) their range has increased over the years but the majority of gains in the hit/kill department are due to improvements in radar tech, not the missiles themselves. They've changed the shape and composition of submunitions about a few times but it's still just a big fuck-off flying petrol tanker and not really designed to catch fighters.
As for jedis being able to bring those missiles down with Patriot/Arrow/Iron Dome batteries, I thought that the Israeli anti-missile defence systems were found to be virtually worthless without an AEGIS-ONSHORE radar managing their target tracking and acquisition? Kind of a moot point I guess though, no anti-missile countermeasures were reported launched.if an SA-5, an antique and almost obsolete missile, did hit* an F-35, the most advanced/sophisticated combat aircraft currently deployed, someone needs to have their balls removed and set upon someone elses mantle.
the F-35 project has been a massive, ridiculous cash-grab from the beginning, and it seems amusing to me that Israel is actually trying to field it because from what I've read, most of it's advanced systems either haven't been completed or need to be fixed and revised as they don't work anywhere near how they're supposed to. Things like weapons FCS not locking correctly, pilot 'VR' helmets causing extreme nausea and disorientation (to the point of stopping the pilot from being able to fly altogether), even reports of cockpit canopies having to be opened mechanically from the outside because the pilot's unable to release it. -
2017-10-18 at 3:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I did a lot of reading about Russian SAM capabilities after that Malaysian jet went down over the Ukraine;
i've always believe the reason mh17 was shot down was becos the russians/russo-friendly rebels were trying to shoot down p3 that was flying above it.
you have to remember that it was told to DESCEND about a few thousand feet by air traffic control.
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2017-10-19 at 12:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader i've always believe the reason mh17 was shot down was becos the russians/russo-friendly rebels were trying to shoot down p3 that was flying above it.
There's really no solid evidence to believe that it was the separatist rebels that shot it down. All of the fighters they'd shot down prior were with MANPADs; it's never been demonstrated that they actually had a functional BUK/GADFLY complex and were capable of using it (it stands to reason that some of the Russian soldiers who crossed the border to fight for DPR were trained in it's use, but it requires a team of 12 or something, each with individual, non-interchangeable roles). The jet was flying at such a height that only fixed- or vehicle-mounted- long-range SAMs would have been able to hit it.
I followed the investigation from the start; they decided that it was a BUK SAM that brought it down early on and investigated virtually no other possibilities - nevermind that there was no vapour trail observed, that Russia was the only party that made public radar data from the region and it showed that there was another, smaller plane within a kilometre of the jet when it went down. The west claimed it was 'just debris' (not explaning why there was such an enormous chunk of debris flying about before the jet was shot down) but never provided any radar information to clarify or disprove the Russian position.
Then there are the conditions of the 'investigation' itself - the coup-imposed government was made a core part of the investigation (which in itself is like allowing a suspect to collect fingerprints from his own crime scene), and the contract to the investigation gave all parties the right to veto the release of any information for any reason.
The result of the 'investigation' was laughable - after years of accusing the rebels (and Russia, of course) of the attack without any real evidence, they finally 'proved' the rebels were responsible by having the Ukraine secret service release recorded radio chatter indicating the rebels had co-ordinated with Russian military.
The recordings were never independently verified, nor did any specific person within the Service endorse the recordings as true and accurate. -
2017-10-19 at 5:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I followed the investigation from the start; they decided that it was a BUK SAM that brought it down early on and investigated virtually no other possibilities - nevermind that there was no vapour trail observed, that Russia was the only party that made public radar data from the region and it showed that there was another, smaller plane within a kilometre of the jet when it went down. The west claimed it was 'just debris' (not explaning why there was such an enormous chunk of debris flying about before the jet was shot down) but never provided any radar information to clarify or disprove the Russian position.
i guess due to the monopoly of information by all interested parties .... no truth will ever be known until like 20-30 years after this when people involved finally spoke from their death bed ....
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2017-10-19 at 5:50 AM UTCMH17 was a false-flag in order to generate support for more NATO/EU involvement in the Ukraine situation and to sow anti-Russian sentiments. American-backed forces shot it down. Over 200 Dutch people were killed in the incident while The Netherlands is in NATO and supposed to be America's "friend and ally". Fuck you America, i hope you burn.
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2017-10-19 at 5:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie MH17 was a false-flag in order to generate support for more NATO/EU involvement in the Ukraine situation and to sow anti-Russian sentiments. American-backed forces shot it down. Over 200 Dutch people were killed in the incident while The Netherlands is in NATO and supposed to be America's "friend and ally". Fuck you America, i hope you burn.
anyone you know/knew on that plane ??? -
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