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2022-04-09 at 3:58 PM UTC in Poledaddy's fatherly wisdom thread
Originally posted by Sudo I'm going to buy a portable welder and teach myself how to weld. Does polepops know anything about it, cuz I sure don't. All I know if I'll end up saving alot of money because I go to metal fab shops alot
You should probably get one of the new wire feed mig ones imo, as apparently they can weld finer steel than the stick ones. The big problem welding modern stuff is generally the steel is too thin.
If you want to weld thick steel then a more powerful stick welder is best.
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2022-04-09 at 3:52 PM UTC in BRAIN TEST: How do you see the picture?I feel he is running away from me, and making a big show of how fit he is in compensation for being stupid.
If I think about him running towards me I assume he is running towards me in order to be annoying and act like my friend.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2022-04-09 at 3:40 PM UTC in Poledaddy's fatherly wisdom threadI was a glass blower for over a decade, I had pretty good glasses for the time but between that and being to old to have great vision I won't weld and man do I want to , but I don't want to speed up my vision loss so I cant do it.
that being said I was never good at welding BUT I never had a proper welder so I couldn't get good at it.
looking at new welders and new types of welding I see it looks really easy now.
I am going to buy a spot welder so I can replace rocker panels on my cars and trucks but they don't seem to be as hazardous to the eyes cuz its a spot and easier to shield from .
I want to build a mini jet boat powered by a 1000cc R1 Yamaha street bike engine
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2022-04-09 at 3:28 PM UTC in BRAIN TEST: How do you see the picture?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-09 at 2:59 PM UTC in Biden endorses child abuse.
Originally posted by Sudo Is there a source for this? I've seen like 50 articles that say 50% of trannys will try to kill themselves and like 15% succeed, never seen anything empirically that says hormone therapy objectively reduces depression.
There is! I’m glad you asked, I was kinda surprised at the finding myself. Here’s the direct link: https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(21)00568-1/fulltext which is also the first cite in the document the Fox News article was talking about, of the three I’m guessing jiggs has read none. If you don’t want to read the whole thing here’s the highlight:Use of GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] = .73, p < .001) and seriously considering suicide (aOR = .74, p < .001) compared to those who wanted GAHT but did not receive it. For youth under age 18, GAHT was associated with lower odds of recent depression (aOR = .61, p < .01) and of a past-year suicide attempt (aOR = .62, p < .05).
There are root causes and systemic issues that cause effeminate teens to think they're a different gender but people don't want to have that conversation.
I think that’s fair although it’s a more nuanced conversation that’s hard to have over the sounds of partisan screeching.
Hot take: if our society didn’t hold to repressive gender roles and you could just do what you wanted you’d get a lot fewer people screaming about pronouns.
Like it’s not a generally acceptable position on the left, but I do think a substantial level of transgenderism stems from a bid to use gender roles to legitimize their character. Like if you’re a dude that doesn’t fit the social image of what a man should be one response you can have is “well I’m a woman”, and the sad state of things is you’ll probably find more social support doing that then being an effeminate cis man.
So I think it’s totally legitimate to ask “is the increase in transgenderism a consequence of a deeper social malady”. But if we’re talking about a clinical setting where you have someone who’s expressed that they want a hormonal therapy, there is decent evidence that giving them that intervention is going to reduce their odds of depression or suicide. So if the goal of the medical field is, you know, reducing human suffering or saving lives then hormonal therapies are absolutely legitimate therapeutic options -
2022-04-09 at 1:27 PM UTC in Kidnappers of Michigan governor found Not Guilty of plotting.
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2022-04-09 at 12:14 PM UTC in fucking retirees are just boomer NEETsIn my dad’s last year he would take naps, visit friends, go to the pub, for walks, taught someone to weld, read, was planning on making garden sculptures a few weeks before he died, go to a car boot sale, fix things to resell, was focused on me staying with him like had a bedroom made up and was getting someone to set up a computer den for me. I never stayed with him once. He said he’d watch the birds.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-09 at 9:20 AM UTC in THE MAGA PARTY!,,, the GOP is dead, republicans are going down with the dems,, get ready for THE MAGA PARTY lefty's
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2022-04-09 at 9:12 AM UTC in Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
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2022-04-09 at 5:36 AM UTC in Kidnappers of Michigan governor found Not Guilty of plotting.
The historic Gretchen Whitmer kidnap plot case ended with no convictions Friday, delivering a blow to the government as it failed to convince a jury that four militia members were domestic terrorists determined to harm the governor because of her COVID-19 restrictions.
The jury declared two of those men not guilty, but deadlocked on the charges against the other two, who will be retried.
Defendant Daniel Harris — the only one who testified at the trial — was acquitted on all four counts, with the judge telling the 24-year-old Lake Orion man he would be free to go Friday afternoon.
Top, from left: Adam Fox and Barry Croft
Bottom, from left: Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta
Brandon Caserta, 33, of Canton, was acquitted on the only count he faced: kidnapping conspiracy. He, like Harris, was freed Friday — which is also his birthday — after more than 18 months in jail following his arrest in an FBI sting outside an Ypsilanti warehouse.
"What the FBI did was unconscionable," Caserta's lawyer, Michael Hills, said outside the courthouse. He has long argued that his client and the others were entrapped by rogue FBI informants and agents, including one who ran a cybersecurity company while investigating the case.
"To me, this was a signal," Hills said of the verdict. "A rogue FBI agent trying to line his own pockets with his own cybersecurity company, pushing a conspiracy that just never was, never was going to be. Our governor was never in any danger. And I think the jury — they didn't get all of it — but they smelled enough of it."
Family members gasped and broke into tears as Chief U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker read the not guilty verdicts. Caserta's sister declined to answer questions as she left the courthouse, but smiled and told reporters that Friday was Caserta's 34th birthday.
Caserta and Harris thanked their lawyers after the verdict was read, then embraced one another.
The jury deadlocked on all counts against Adam Fox, 39, of Potterville, and Barry Croft, 46, of Delaware — whom the prosecution described as the ringleaders — so a mistrial was declared.
After the verdicts came down, Caserta went for a walk in downtown Grand Rapids, avoiding the news media. Family members of Caserta and Harris declined to answer questions from reporters as they left the courthouse.
The sister of Brandon Caserta walks with a bin of Caserta's clothing to the parking garage after the jury found Brandon not guilty on the charge of kidnapping conspiracy Friday, April 8, 2022, outside the Gerald R. Ford Federal Building in downtown Grand Rapids.
Harris' father declined to answer questions as well, telling reporters: "It's our time."
U.S. Attorney Andrew Birge said the government plans to retry Fox and Croft.
"Obviously, we're disappointed with the outcome. We thought we had enough for the jury to convict based on the evidence we put forward, but we still believe in the jury system," Birge said. "We have two defendants that are awaiting trial and will get back to work on that."
Birge declined to answer questions from news media after his initial statement.
Fox and Croft will remain jailed in the Newaygo County Jail pending retrial.
"I think that the trial here demonstrated that there's some serious shortcomings in the case," said Christopher Gibbons, Fox's lawyer. "Obviously, with acquittals occurring with Mr. Caserta and Mr. Harris, it says a lot about what's going on in the case and in the proofs."
During trial, Gibbons pushed back on the government's assertion that Fox was the ringleader in the alleged plot. In his closing argument, Gibbons painted Fox as a misfit who couldn't stop smoking pot, and whose only friends were FBI undercover agents and informants who were spying on him.
"Adam is disappointed that he's going to be detained a bit longer, but we're waiting for a second trial and we'll eventually get what we want — which is the truth and justice," Gibbons said.
The jury's decision ended a case that highlighted the growth of extremism in America as prosecutors sought to punish what they viewed as violent extremism targeted at government officials.
In a statement released after the verdicts, Whitmer's office expressed concern that the outcome of the case may embolden future extremists.
The family of Daniel Harris quickly walk away from a barrage of media after a jury acquitted Harris on all counts Friday, April 8, 2022, outside the Gerald R. Ford Federal Building in downtown Grand Rapids.
"Today, Michiganders and Americans — especially our children — are living through the normalization of political violence. The plot to kidnap and kill a governor may seem like an anomaly. But we must be honest about what it really is: the result of violent, divisive rhetoric that is all too common across our country," the statement reads. "There must be accountability and consequences for those who commit heinous crimes. Without accountability, extremists will be emboldened."
Attorney for Adam Fox, Christopher Gibbons, leaves the Gerald Ford R. Ford Building and U.S. Courthouse on April 8, 2022, just before lunch after jurors in the Governor Whitmer kidnapping case sent U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker a question about being stuck on certain charges. Gibbons said unanimity would be ideal with the jury but he and his client will just have to wait and see.
The verdicts triggered all sorts of reaction within the legal community, with lawyers expressing surprise and confusion about the outcome that left them wondering why the jurors acquitted some, but not others.
Veteran defense attorney Mike Rataj, who was part of the defense team in the 2012 Hutaree militia trial — which also was a failure for the government — believes the credibility of the undercover informants and FBI agents was a key issue at trial. The location of the trial and where the jurors came from may have also played a role, he said.
It was tried in Grand Rapids, with many of the jurors coming from northern Michigan.
“Some of these jurors come from rural places, where people are very distrustful of the government,” Rataj said. “I think it's safe to assume the jurors did not believe the government undercovers.”
Former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade, who believed the government had a compelling case, said she has "great respect for the decisions of jurors," noting they hear every word of testimony and see the witnesses and evidence live. Not having been in the jury box, she noted, it's difficult to know "what aspect of the evidence the jury found unconvincing because as contained in the indictment, the evidence sounded very strong."
But she's uneasy about the outcome.
"This verdict concerns me because it could embolden other anti-government extremists to engage in dangerous conduct in the name of vigilante justice," McQuade said. "In a time when we see a growing number of threats of violence against public officials, it is important to hold such conduct accountable."
McQuade added: "I am hopeful that they will retry the case against Fox and Croft, and that a different set of jurors may be able to reach a verdict."
The verdicts were read after the jury twice announced Friday morning that it had deadlocked.
The judge stressed: "You have to vote your own conscience at the end of the day. … See if anything moves you on a locked decision."
The jury quickly returned with its partial verdicts.
The jury spent three weeks listening to testimony about how four like-minded men bonded over social media, vented about the government controlling their lives, and then came together through a group called the Wolverine Watchmen — a self-proclaimed Michigan militia that wanted to spark a second civil war, and use the Whitmer kidnap as a starting point.
To carry out the kidnap plan, witnesses testified, the group also plotted to blow up a bridge near Whitmer's vacation house to slow down law enforcement and experimented with explosives to make that happen — an allegation that triggered the weapons of mass destruction charges that carry a life in prison sentence.
U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Michigan Andrew Birge says they were disappointed as he speaks to the media outside of the Gerald Ford R. Ford Building and U.S. Courthouse in Grand Rapids on April 8, 2022, after two kidnap plot suspects were found not guilty and a mistrial declared for other two in the Governor Whitmer kidnapping case.
The plot, though, was foiled on Oct. 7, 2020, in an FBI sting outside an Ypsilanti warehouse. An undercover informant had driven the suspects to the warehouse, tricking them into thinking they were going there to make a down payment on explosives, pick up some military gear, and then head to Buffalo Wild Wings for beer and chicken.
Instead, FBI agents were there waiting with handcuffs.
The defendants spent 18 months jailed as they waited for their case to go to trial, maintaining they were victims of entrapment — that is, the FBI came up with the kidnap idea and pressured them into saying and doing things they wouldn't have otherwise.
According to trial testimony, the suspects spent months discussing different ways that they could attack the government for, as they saw it, infringing on their freedoms. There was also talk about storming the state Capitol, though the suspects didn't think that was doable so they decided to kidnap the governor instead, according to trial testimony by undercover FBI agents and informants.
This is the map Adam Fox drew of the area around Whitmer's cottage, as part of the alleged planning for the kidnapping plot. Prosecutors have redacted parts of the map so that it does not show where the home is located.
The alleged kidnap plan would work like this: The suspects would snatch Whitmer from her cottage, then drive her to the shoreline of Lake Michigan, put her in a boat, and either leave her stranded in the lake, or transport her to Wisconsin to hang her.
The defense argued that was all fantasy talk carried out by men who were stoned most of the time, and that they had no real plan or ever intended to kidnap Whitmer — that it was all tough talk by men blowing off steam.
Moreover, the defense argued that the FBI ran the whole show and masterminded the entire kidnap plot to advance their own careers.
The prosecution disagreed, arguing there was no evidence at trial that any informant or agent devised the kidnap plot, or encouraged anyone to kidnap the governor.
And the suspects did a lot more than talk, prosecutors said, arguing the defendants took numerous steps to make this happen, including: casing the governor's vacation house twice, drawing a map of the area, buying $3,800 binoculars, building a model of her cottage to practice extracting a person, communicating on encrypted chats to conceal their activities and practicing using explosives to carry out their plan. According to multiple witnesses, the suspects practiced building and detonating explosive devices to help carry out their kidnap plan.
The witness who helped crack the case was a former Wolverine Watchmen member who told jurors he quit the group after hearing the men talking about killing police, told his cop friend about it, and then got a call from the FBI asking him whether he would go undercover. He agreed, and became known to the group as Big Dan.
The defense argued that Big Dan was the backbone of the government's case and the true leader of the kidnap plot — maintaining he incited the suspects, organized most of the meetings and trainings, and ran the whole show.
It was Big Dan, the defense argued, who drove the suspects to a warehouse in Ypsilanti, tricking them into thinking they were going for beers and wings and to pick up military gear, but got them arrested instead.
Two of those men who got arrested in the sting were codefendants Ty Garbin and Kaleb Franks. Both men cut deals in the case, pleaded guilty and testified against the others at trial, telling the jury they were willing participants in the kidnap plot, and so were their cohorts. No one entrapped them, they said, or their codefendants.
Garbin is serving a six-year prison sentence for his role, but could get more time trimmed off due to his cooperation. Franks has not yet been sentenced.
Only one of the defendants took the stand in his own defense at trial: Harris, who got combative with the prosecutor and called Big Dan the informant "a b—-" during his testimony. Harris denied being part of any plot to kidnap the governor, telling the jury that Big Dan was the real leader of the whole thing.
Two of the four defendants put on no defense at all, but let the jury decide the case based on what the government presented.
Multiple undercover FBI agents and informants who had infiltrated the group also testified at trial, and corroborated many of the recorded statements that were played for the jury.
All were charged with kidnapping conspiracy, which carries a maximum life sentence in prison. Harris, Fox and Croft were charged with weapons of mass destruction.
Croft and Harris were also charged with possession of an unregistered destructive device, and Harris was charged with possession of an illegal short-barrel rifle.
Whitmer kidnap plot trial:What we know about jurors deciding historic verdict
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2022-04-08 at 9:33 PM UTC in If this forum was the office , who would be who?Todd Packer - Aleister CrowleyThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-08 at 9:28 PM UTC in If this forum was the office , who would be who?Kevin - wellhungThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-08 at 9:10 PM UTC in I saw sexual harassment in person last night
Originally posted by Wariat Teenagwrs in europe go to pubs even as you said 16 yolds in the uk.
Yes...going to the pub isn't a qualification for dealing with getting your ass felt
A 16yr old in the pub has nowhere near the experience of dealing with it as a 25yr old woman at that pub does.
The 25yr old has been felt up more times than the blarney stone and dealing with it is now 2nd nature to her.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2022-04-08 at 9:06 PM UTC in I saw sexual harassment in person last nightThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-08 at 8:36 PM UTC in What are you doing at the moment
Originally posted by Sudo By family Vinyard do you mean her family owns a Vinyard? That's like a level 98 rich white person achievement
Yeah they live in Napa. They also make their own olive oil. When she casually mentioned how much her dad makes per year i thought she was making a hyperbolic joke but apparently they ballin out of control. The hotel theyre staying in this week is like $2200 a night. Completely outside my scope of understanding bc ive akways been dirt poor.
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2022-04-08 at 7:12 PM UTC in The Dollar is going to crash and Americans are going to be poor
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2022-04-08 at 5:45 PM UTC in The Dollar is going to crash and Americans are going to be poorThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2022-04-08 at 5:28 PM UTC in Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
Interesting video from a Russian perspective. The Russians aren't mobilised for war, the Ukrainians are 100% mobilised. The Russians don't know what they want, the Ukrainians know exactly what they want. The Russians aren't talking to the world, the Ukrainians are constantly talking and coming up with propaganda and weird stories. The Russians weren't prepared for a hard fight, and simply aren't fighting to win since they can't even articulate what winning would look like. -
2022-04-08 at 2:50 PM UTC in The Dollar is going to crash and Americans are going to be poorThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
