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2018-02-23 at 4:56 PM UTC in I really want to start dating a girl. :(If you really want to improve your game, wait until she's about to orgasm, then pull out and spit in her face and slap her around.
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2018-02-23 at 4:48 PM UTC in How do banks and private ATM owners afford to run an ATM?Have you ever noticed how ATM's are just the right size to fit an average sized Lanny if he crouches with his hand cupped over the "cash in" slot?
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2018-02-23 at 4:45 PM UTC in why are people genuinely believing captain falcon is rich
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2018-02-23 at 4:27 PM UTC in why are people genuinely believing captain falcon is richidk, he did post screenshots of his account balances.
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2018-02-23 at 4:26 PM UTC in Everyone here secretly thinks I'm the best.You have a cluster B personality disorder. It's not your fault, you can change. Get help today.
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2018-02-22 at 2:57 PM UTC in "I know what boys like! I know what guys want!"Classic Enter.
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2018-02-22 at 1:36 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Daily 1) Since they are incapable of reasoning, and you are a moral homo sapien who wants the best for all animals, why are you not campaigning for human intervention to replace predator-hunted meat with other protein-rich substitutes? Why are you only depriving homo sapiens of meat when other predators kill and eat other animals?
2) Incorrect. These predators need protein, not meat. The evolutionary formed ecosystem has allowed protein to exist in the form of prey.
3) So you are actually okay with animals being killed and eaten - you just don't want homo sapiens to kill and eat them? lol.
I'm opposed to engineering the moral lives of animals just as I'm opposed to harming them. I don't believe they should be subject to the terrors of human industry, but what happens in the wild is their business. -
2018-02-22 at 1:10 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by RestStop I have like 3 or 4 filet mignons in my freezer. It would be immoral not to eat it within the near future. That shit dings!
I mean, it's not like you can reassemble it into an animal. No need to waste what you've already murdered. I think the most morally responsible thing you could do with that meat is to mail it to a needy family in a developing country. -
2018-02-22 at 1:04 AM UTC in Cheap Fresh CVV/DUMPS/FULL INFOS - Verified SellerThis is a great service and we're very lucky to have you on our forum. I'm sure many other users will be interested in your products.
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2018-02-22 at 1:02 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Daily Since we are moral animals, do you recognise that as moral animals we must be consistent with our morals in regards to the killing of animals? Why are you not using your morals to stop the killing of animals by other animals? Why are you not going around the jungle to prevent animals from killing animals? Do you agree that you are being selective in your morality regarding the killing of animals by using our own physical capabilities of killing animals while ignoring our capabilities of preventing the killing of animals by other animals?
I do not advocate imposing my abstinence from meat upon animal life for several reasons. I'll start with three because I'm trying to smoke weed rn:
1) Depriving an animal of food is abuse, especially given that they are incapable of reasoning their way to a meatless alternative.
2) Many animals (i.e. cheetahs) are incapable of certain biologically necessary processes without ingesting meat.
3) My own vegetarianism carries an ecological point - the segregation of the world of humans and of animals is best for both groups at this time, so it's not ideal for them to be appropriating our morality (even if they could be forced to). -
2018-02-22 at 12:50 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Nobody needs to defend their choice of diet. Especially to a sniveling beta like you. Now fuck off before I fry you in your own fat and crumble over a slab of veal stuffed with some other varieties of near extinct but tasty mammals.
If you entered this thread, yes you do. If you don't have any interest in doing that, kill yourself. -
2018-02-22 at 12:41 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Open Your Mind I do try not to hurt other creatures unless they hurt me, but at the same time I really like eating meat and don't think there is a good reason to stop. Some animals might be harmed in the process but I suppose that doesn't really bother me.
Would it bother you to see a dog or a cat get beaten by its owner? -
2018-02-22 at 12:40 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Daily Okay, can you please explain to me why us killing and eating animals is wrong while cheetahs and panthers and tigers and wolves killing and eating animals is not an issue to you (who are all part of our global ecosystem)
Cheetahs and panthers and tigers and wolves don't have the capacity for moral decisionmaking. If you tried to teach them about utilitarian ethics and how they can be applied to the animals they kill and eat, they would probably kill and eat you. Humans have ethical reasoning, and most of us embrace some kind of personal imperative not to needlessly harm others. Therefore, it is logical that a human being which concerns itself with the moral dilemma of whether or not to eat animals can resolve this problem by abstaining from eating animals. This is the essence of the moral argument, and I think this much is essential for someone defending the vegetarian side of this debate. There are those who invoke various arguments from religious canon, twisting them around to generate reasons why this faith or that abhors killing, but we need only a secular version of this to draw a fairly tight argument against the killing of animals.
So we are not obligated to kill by our status as apex predator - the same conditions by which we dominate other beings also grants us the opportunity to save them. Nowhere is it written that a being which can kill, should. -
2018-02-22 at 12:28 AM UTC in The worst inventions in the history of mankindConservation of reading materials was prior to this a very carefully handled process, entrusted only to clergy and those wealthy enough to educate themselves. It should have remained this way.
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2018-02-22 at 12:27 AM UTC in The worst inventions in the history of mankindThe printing press. It democratized literacy and this was undoubtedly the most destructive invention in the last 1,000 years.
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2018-02-22 at 12:22 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Daily Sorry Zanick, I feel absolutely no moral obligation to not consume sentient animals. I don't think "morality" is any sort of argument anyway, especially on an individual level where people like me literally struggle to feel any sort of "empathy" (even though I rationally understand what you're talking about). "Might does not make right" is not an argument, especially since consuming higher amounts of protein contributed to the growth of our prefrontal cortex (which is responsible for your linguistic abilities which attempt to oppose the killing and eating of animals). If your ancestors only ate plants and nuts you would not be able to make this thread. Of course, this is a "natural fallacy" (since "natural" does not mean "right") but I am a member of a species in an ecosystem which sustains (and has sustained) itself by eating animals. I agree that modern farming where chickens and cows are kept in fucked up conditions is pretty abhorrent, but this is an entirely separate issue to eating animals. Can you please explain to me why killing and eating animals, whose genes have contributed to their tasty propensity, is objectively wrong and not merely something that makes you feel uncomfortable
We don't structure our diets based on what spear-chuckers were wrangling 6,000 years ago. We have purchasing power in an agrarian society, so we enjoy the luxury of thinking about what we eat. We need to consider the action of eating meat from the perspective of what is possible and correct, here and now, rather than from the perspectives of what was favorable for our ancestors. Today we have the option to replace our intake of animal products with responsible, healthier alternatives; this is something relatively recent and it should be seized upon for the welfare of everybody. We don't need to consume meat anymore to achieve maximal cognitive functioning.
Yes, the animals would be saved, but there are also advantages for us in adopting a vegetarian diet. The health benefits speak for themselves, and it would also lessen the impact of the agriculture industry on the environment. If you aren't swayed by the morality of the issue, perhaps these benefits are meaningful to you. -
2018-02-21 at 11:58 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Number13 Not exactly the direction I was going with this unless you also mean he then eats me.
The point remains: if you can justify our eating of animals because we have evolved to dominate them, then you shouldn't have a problem with members of other groups who believe they are entitled to dominate you by virtue of their physical superiority. -
2018-02-21 at 11:49 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Number13 But seriously though we're the apex predator of this world, solar system and possibly the galaxy and universe, we earned the right to this by being superior, it's a lion hunting antelope only industrialized but that said meat you hunt and kill yourself is always better imo.
We've earned the right to nothing. Unless you naïvely cling to a biblically established hierarchy of being, there is nothing to support the notion of our providence over the other inhabitants of our environment. If being good at killing is a condition which requires us to do so, I'd argue that we're actually far better at reasoning than we are at murder--therefore obligating us to use our reasoning, which should inform us to stop killing. Might does not make right, but in our case it does afford us the opportunity to examine critically our presuppositions about the well-being of other species who don't have that luxury. -
2018-02-21 at 11:38 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Number13 I might've been on board but you calling it a holocaust means I have to support it
I think it's an accurate description. One obvious difference is that our factories of death provide us with meat, instead of ashes and corpses, but it's still the same process: a refining of the instruments that kill, with the goal of an increased output of death. -
2018-02-21 at 11:27 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Juicebox Dairy is worse for the animals than meat, and I'm not turning myself into a MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING
The accident was Sunday, I haven't eaten anything since then
I hope you're taking care of yourself. But I think you should reconsider - your recovery doesn't have to cost anything its life.
