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Conflict Shitpile III - Diplomacy Defunct Edition
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2018-04-14 at 3:47 PM UTCThis UN meeting literally has me on the verge of tears. We really are fucked.
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2018-04-14 at 4:34 PM UTCShits about to hit the fan.
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2018-04-14 at 5:04 PM UTC
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2018-04-14 at 5:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I haven't been following; usually wait for transcripts. what's going on?
Every other country's representative is talking shit about Assad, blaming Russia for the attack because they supposedly didn't keep Assad from making chemical weapons like they said they would, and saying that they all did everything they could to resolve the situation non-violently
The investigation isn't even done yet, and we all know it didn't actually happen anyway, yet they're all talking like they have "irrefutable evidence" that it happened, that Assad did it, and that Russia is to blame for not enforcing the ban on chemical weapons.
If everybody is really this dumb, we don't have a chance. -
2018-04-14 at 5:14 PM UTCThe simple refutation there is that if the US did, in fact, hit chemical weapons depots agents would've been released into the surrounding areas - 0-3 civilian deaths don't indicate a massive nerve agent release to me. If anything it's possible they were trying to make the situation 'too unsafe' for the OPCW to perform an on-site investigation.
Syria's made the official statement that the reason why there were no casualties is that the two targets that were significantly damaged (research facilities in Barzeh and Jamani) are abandoned and haven't been operational since the start of the war.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-04-14 at 5:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The simple refutation there is that if the US did, in fact, hit chemical weapons depots agents would've been released into the surrounding areas - 0-3 civilian deaths don't indicate a massive nerve agent release to me.
Damn, you're right, as usual. I didn't even think of that.If anything it's possible they were trying to make the situation 'too unsafe' for the OPCW to perform an on-site investigation.
So, basically the same thing as April 2017. I gotta say, I have gained a lot of respect for Putin in the last couple of years, he's got to be the most patient leader of any country in the modern world. Anyone else, including myself, would've probably already reduced Washington DC, and subsequently the rest of the world, to ash.
The way I see it, our only hope is if Trump and Putin are secretly colluding to make it look like they're fighting each other while actually in peace talks about how to save their respective countries from the chute to Hell that the rest of the world is rapidly descending down.
But I've lost all hope in Trump's supposed "4d chess" or whatever they call it. It is my personal belief that only God can save us now. Speaking of which, a couple Jehovah's Witnesses came to my door for the first time ever this morning
We told them that the literature would just end up in the trash if we took it, lolSyria's made the official statement that the reason why there were no casualties is that the two targets that were significantly damaged (research facilities in Barzeh and Jamani) are abandoned and haven't been operational since the start of the war.
I think Russia's UN ambassador said that they were being used for "peaceful scientific research"
Translation error maybe? Or maybe I just misheard -
2018-04-14 at 5:30 PM UTCYeah, Trump talked himself into a corner so he had to attack in order to not 'lose face', but the hit rates vs. antiquated soviet gear and tiptoeing around Russian air defence should embarass him more than backing down ever could.
A lot of people (I don't know how many are genuine and how many are people trying to sow doubt in the pro-Russian crowd) are calling Putin a coward for not responding, claiming that it's proof that he, Trump and Netenjedihoo are all organising this like a pantomime.
The truth is that Putin knows there's not much he can do that won't lead to escalation and total annihilation - over time the US gets closer to implosion and Russia/China become stronger so they're trying to wait it out as much as possible, but he's all but given up hope on peaceful solutions. It's just a matter of pushing back the clock - if it were a major attack and not just a shit fireworks display, I have no doubt that Russia would've responded by attempting to sink the entire fleet. -
2018-04-14 at 5:39 PM UTCConvinced it's just Trump trying to save face, you can make chlorine gas in a bathtub in half an hour, just remember raytheon made 300 million bucks last night!
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2018-04-14 at 5:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Juicebox I think Russia's UN ambassador said that they were being used for "peaceful scientific research"
Translation error maybe? Or maybe I just misheard
I suspect they were prior to the war, either that or we might be confusing different facilities
Originally posted by the pat-man Convinced it's just Trump trying to save face, you can make chlorine gas in a bathtub in half an hour, just remember raytheon made 300 million bucks last night!
Even Obama didn't want to get involved on the basis of chlorine attacks - chlorine's an extremely poor chemical 'weapon', especially for a state they keep claiming has hidden stockpiles of nerve agents. -
2018-04-14 at 6:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra what I find funny about it is the spastic handling of the Skripal poisoning has had the exact opposite effect and has more and more people questioning anything and everything that comes out of the government.
maybe so in your little circle of IRL and/or online friends.
but certainly not normal people, the majority that surrounds you and certainly not the foreign affairs department of most countries out there. -
2018-04-14 at 6:03 PM UTC
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2018-04-14 at 6:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra what I find funny about it is the spastic handling of the Skripal poisoning has had the exact opposite effect and has more and more people questioning anything and everything that comes out of the government.
maybe so in your little circle of IRL and/or online friends.
but certainly not normal people, the majority that surrounds you and certainly not the foreign affairs department of most countries out there. -
2018-04-14 at 8:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra - The US, France, Israel and KSA do not simply fund terrorist groups, they have operatives embedded within them. It's not well publicised but in the past, operatives have been found and essentially ransomed back to their host countries.
Any idea who's doing the ransoming? Syria or Russia?
If this is actually happening, they must have some sort of records. Couldn't they release them and show the world that the US/France/KSA/Israel are full of shit? -
2018-04-14 at 9:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by Juicebox Any idea who's doing the ransoming? Syria or Russia?
If this is actually happening, they must have some sort of records. Couldn't they release them and show the world that the US/France/KSA/Israel are full of shit?
didnt you heard what the US government says about the most recent russian reports ???
they said : trolls r russians. -
2018-04-15 at 7:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by Juicebox Any idea who's doing the ransoming? Syria or Russia?
If this is actually happening, they must have some sort of records. Couldn't they release them and show the world that the US/France/KSA/Israel are full of shit?
Operatives are captured by the SAA and conditions for return are typically negotiated through Russia or Turkey.
Deny, deny, deny - the west controls the narrative; people will believe what they're told. The US will deny taking part in any previous exchanges and if the SAA broadcasts their current 'hostages', the US will claim they're civilians and use their capture as a pretext for further strikes. -
2018-04-15 at 8 AM UTCI've seen some interesting theories about the motivations for this latest strike - keep in mind that Russia was again forewarned via France; ostensibly someone in Washington wanted to warn Russia without it being linked back to the US.
One such theory is that Mathis was the only one in Trump's cabinet left with any sense as to what a greater war would mean, and that this abject failure of a strike was to be pinned on him, ending his career and replacing him with someone with far less restraint.
The theory goes that Mathis talked Trump down on strikes, making him accept that this limited strike was the only safe option. Bolton and others notified Russia beforehand in order to maximise their chances to neutralise it, as well as mobilising 'conservative' publications to chastise the government for such a flaccid strike and absurd waste of money. -
2018-04-15 at 12:36 PM UTCThey better not try to arrest me for "anti-American activities" once this war heats up
They did it to the Japanese and suspected sympathizers of Japan in WW2 after all, and whatever they're building all those camps for can't be good.
They better bring a lot of ammo if they think I'm going to a concentration camp -
2018-04-15 at 12:40 PM UTCOn topic: Supposedly the attack on Syria was supposed to last for days, but lasted only hours.
I wonder if Putin managed to find a threat that worked or if it was just Trump being Trump again -
2018-04-15 at 1:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by Juicebox On topic: Supposedly the attack on Syria was supposed to last for days, but lasted only hours.
I'd probably thank Mathis for that, never been a fan of him but he seems a lot more sane than anyone else in the cabinet. A multi-day missile extravaganza would lead directly to rapid escalation -
2018-04-15 at 1:52 PM UTCSo we have Russians shooting down American missiles?
That's like war isn't it?
