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2018-01-21 at 3:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra You're missing the point of bringing up the artillery in the first place - like I said, the strategy isn't designed to win a war, it's designed as a deterrent so that NK can't be attacked without serious repercussions. The range of the artillery is short (in a global sense) though, so they aren't able to mount a credible threat to the US (the ones they perceive as the biggest threat), which is why they're working feverishly on ICBM tech. It's possible that the US would consider massive artillery strikes against SK an 'acceptable loss' and go to war, not so much so if it's their own cities at risk.
If you're interested in how an actual war would play out, there's a lot more to consider than just the artillery pieces.
- The majority of NK's sensitive military and manufacturing facilities are underground
- US intelligence has historically failed to gather any worthwhile intelligence on NK's military
- As such, 'bunker busters' could potentially kill those facilities… if they can find them.
- Even if they're presently unable to mount a nuclear weapon on a missile, that doesn't stop them putting one on a truck or a boat
- They have a large number of TBMs and a smaller number of longer-range missiles
- They have stockpiles of standard nerve agents and various other bio/chemical weapons
- They have 50-70 almost-silent diesel submarines that are presently unaccounted for
- Their army dwarfs what SK + local US bases are able to deploy at ~1.2mil, with around 200k SOF trained to operate behind enemy lines
- a bunch of other shit I can't think of at the moment
The only way the US could walk away with anything resembling a win would be with a pre-emptive nuclear strike, and that'd unravel the 'international order' and the 'MAD doctrine'…
The artillery would cause massive casualties before an air campaign could cripple it. NK lacks modern anti-air weapons so their only option there is to bunker down and hope the US bankrupts itself flinging billion-dollar bunker busters around.
The US and South Korea (if SK is even willing to fight at this point) will not be able to challenge NK's ground army. Sheer numerical advantage and the fact that it's their home would mean massive casualties if they tried, and most of the high-tech 'force multipliers' they rely on in the Middle East are not feasible for Korean terrain.
NK's first targets will be international ports… and Japan. Busan in SK handles most of the shipping traffic in the Pacific. NK's demonstrated it has no trouble flinging missiles as far as Japan, and nuclear (or biochemical) or not, Japan's density means even a single hit will cause mass casualties and/or economic destruction. Shutting down major Japanese and Korean ports will literally break the current economic system's back, and none of the US anti-missile systems deployed in SK or Japan have undergone any real-world testing.
So now NK and US/SK forces are locked into a war of attrition, and we still have those SLBM-capable submarines to worry about. There's no way to be sure what Kim plans to use them for, but if I were him I'd have them loaded with sarin-tipped missiles and waiting for this eventuality to visit the east coast of the US…
if nukes are used in any format the US loses.
there is an aspect of counter-artillery technology i havent heard mentioned...and rarely read about in the media...but i guarantee some of the highest concentrations of use are in the DMZ. the first time a piece fires a counter-battery firing solution will make it their last. granted...itll take some time to pick them all off...but its just a matter of time. who cares if a few hundred K slant-eyes get to wear their funeral outfits...theres plenty more of them. -
2018-01-21 at 3:32 PM UTCAre you talking about the anti-artillery unit that's supposed to be able to track the source of artillery fire? I forget the name, but I remember reading that it was horribly impractical
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2018-01-21 at 3:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Are you talking about the anti-artillery unit that's supposed to be able to track the source of artillery fire? I forget the name, but I remember reading that it was horribly impractical
the same technology they use in the US in cities infested with niggers who like to randomly spark off a few rounds. basically...a computer uses 'sensors' to identify what is a ballistics event...triangulates the point of origin of the event...and voila...splash one slant-eye boom-stick.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-01-21 at 3:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The Ukraine military's made amendments to its dress code allowing for servicemen and members of 'volunteer battalions' to wear full beards. Anyone want to guess the significance? Or tell me the timing is just a coincidence?
I wasn't joking about this.
One of the most effective ISIS units was the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion, a group of Chechens, largely military-trained combat veterans - I believe it was largely this unit's use of snipers that stopped the SDF in their tracks and gave them such a high casualty count when they were moving into Raqqa (I know for sure a Chechen unit was in charge, I'm not certain if it was this one). Their stated goal was to establish the Islamic State so that it could help support their struggle against Russia back home.
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2018-01-21 at 3:56 PM UTCthe N Korea problem is so over-hyped anyway. they're no threat to anyone, stop listening to the media who have an agenda to keep you all living in fear. north korea have 24 million people. the population of germany in 1939 was 80 million and they still couldn't cut it. and germany at least had tech at the time that matched the allies, often better if you consider things like the tiger tanks.
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2018-01-21 at 4:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the N Korea problem is so over-hyped anyway. they're no threat to anyone, stop listening to the media who have an agenda to keep you all living in fear. north korea have 24 million people. the population of germany in 1939 was 80 million and they still couldn't cut it. and germany at least had tech at the time that matched the allies, often better if you consider things like the tiger tanks.
youre a fucking idiot and would be better occupied by sucking on a big juicy stfu-sausage. stop posting about shit you know nothing about.
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2018-01-21 at 6:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the N Korea problem is so over-hyped anyway. they're no threat to anyone, stop listening to the media who have an agenda to keep you all living in fear. north korea have 24 million people. the population of germany in 1939 was 80 million and they still couldn't cut it. and germany at least had tech at the time that matched the allies, often better if you consider things like the tiger tanks.
but the koreans dont have something that nazi germany had :
jude, juden, und judentung.
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2018-01-21 at 6:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock youre a fucking idiot and would be better occupied by sucking on a big juicy stfu-sausage. stop posting about shit you know nothing about.
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kim jong nam.
aww come on ....
anyone can say something at great length about something they knew fully about ....
but to say something you knew nothing about like your an expert on the subject ... thats skill. -
2018-01-22 at 1:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I wasn't joking about this.
One of the most effective ISIS units was the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion, a group of Chechens, largely military-trained combat veterans - I believe it was largely this unit's use of snipers that stopped the SDF in their tracks and gave them such a high casualty count when they were moving into Raqqa (I know for sure a Chechen unit was in charge, I'm not certain if it was this one). Their stated goal was to establish the Islamic State so that it could help support their struggle against Russia back home.
Ukraine has folded them in as a 'Volunteer Battalion', and renamed them the Kiev-2 Battalion.
Repeated for emphasis.
I've noticed that RT and Sputnik's general articles (not opinion pieces) have been distinctly more aggressive toward the 'west' since Putin's press meeting, likely coinciding with changes to Russian diplomatic policy. -
2018-01-22 at 5:11 PM UTC
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2018-01-22 at 5:59 PM UTC
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2018-01-23 at 12:36 AM UTCyou been posting multiple times since i posted that^, yet you not responded. i'll take that as you being your usual full of shit then.
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2018-01-23 at 12:38 AM UTC
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2018-01-23 at 12:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist tell me why i'm wrong then?
if you're so sure of yourself.
its too long of an explanation and too complicated of a situation to write out a fucking thesis on that answer.
that slant-eye whos name i mentioned...the n.koreans had him assassinated...in a public airport...with a chemical that is (depending on concentration) deadly to any bystanders that happened to have been exposed.
the chinks regularly send artillery into s.korea...sink their ships...deploy sabotage teams...etc etc etc...
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2018-01-23 at 1:20 AM UTC
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2018-01-23 at 2:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kolokol-1 Is this what CNN means when they say "expert analysis"?
back in the olden days i knew someone who was a former associate who was 'former-ed' because of their ineptitude...yet CNN used that person as a talking head on a news piece.
based on what i knew about that persons abilities i never again considered anyone i see being used as an 'expert' anyone that knows anything. -
2018-01-23 at 3:43 AM UTC
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2018-01-23 at 9:33 PM UTC
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2018-01-24 at 4:40 AM UTCSYRIA - New chlorine gas attack near Ghouta (again), US has blamed Russia and the Syrian government again, this time explicitly stating they don't care who did it because it's 'their responsibility'.
Russia has again proposed an on-site investigation be performed and it has again been vetoed by the US and Eastern European UNSC members. -
2018-02-03 at 7:27 PM UTChttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42932616
A Russian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet has been shot down in a rebel-held area in Syria's north-western province of Idlib.
The Russian defence ministry said the pilot had ejected into an area believed to be controlled by the al-Qaeda-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham alliance.
Although he survived the crash he was killed in a ground fight, Moscow said.
i cant wait to see the russian reaction. so far theyve just launched a few cruise missiles as a response.
as a side note...the article describes the Su-25 as a 'fighter' however it is more along the lines of a ground attack aircraft, meaning it is sorta-kinda the russkie equivalent of the A-10.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
