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2018-12-23 at 1:41 AM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
Originally posted by hydromorphone I am wondering too where Sophie has been.
As for the posts going on and on about him being a disgusting pedo, well, I believe when you begin isolating pedophiles, to the point they can't come out in the open to say they have a problem and get help, then you have those pedos hiding in the shadows, and more likely to abuse a child at some point.
I'm not really speaking on Sophie's case here, just in general. It's a psychiatric disorder, and those people need help, but most the time, it would turn into a witch hunt if a person so much as admitted to being a hebephile, much less attracted to a younger demographic, and that's assuming the person just had the THOUGHTS and ATTRACTION, and never harmed a child. GRanted, if you cross that line, and harm a child, I do believe you need to serve time, but more than being punished, one needs to get help while serving, and get rehabilitation, and ways to curb their desires, and express themselves in a healthy way that won't harm children. The problem is, is that most the time, there is no psychiatric help whatsoever when they serve their time, so when they get out, they are pretty much set up on a registry, which pretty much guarantees they won't be able to get employment, and very much limits their housing situations, and also, they're pretty much gonna be ostracized from society, which puts them at an even higher risk of re-offending because hey… what do they really have to lose at that point? THey have no support systems in place. However you feel emotionally, the way shit is done, at least in the US, is causing more danger for children then it protects them. Emotions, which I get, can get high, considering people who have, or have a loved one who was harmed by a pedophile, but that serves no good to society. We need help for these people, with more inclusion, less fear to come out and tell a shrink "Hey, I got a problem" and thus higher chance to get help, and never act on those urges. As it is now, a pedo wouldn't tell another soul, unless that soul was another pedo about their desires BECAUSE of the repercussions of just admitting a desire, not even a crime.
Anyway… Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
and I hope Sophie is doing alright. I loves dat nigga.
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2018-12-22 at 10:42 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe What you think about "moral reality" is completely irrelevant to reality. People are going to do whatever they feel like doing.
And whether people do what they feel like doing is completely irrelevant to whether they are doing what they should be doing, irrespective of their belief in it. That is what is being asserted. I can't believe you are so fucking retarded that this has to be explained this many times.
Everything from this point onwards in this post is strictly irrelevant, but I'm arguing it anyway because you're dumb:The system will pressure people into feeling that somethings are right and some things are wrong based on what is best for it.
Well no, that's just blatantly false. People make normative judgments completely independent of "the system maaan". Let me press your hand to a hot stove and hold it there while telling you your subjective judgment on the experience is irrelevant.There is no "right" decision, only responses based on what people feel is right or wrong.
Jimmy, answer the following question:
How many vertices does a triangle have?People who make different choices than you have a different moral code.
Yes duh, are you stupid? For any moral discussion to reach a conclusion, it will ultimately rely on us coming to terms on certain moral premises to start with.
This is why we can have practical moral discussions, as we do in many current events and political cases cases, because we can start from points of moral agreement (including articles of international law), without agreeing in ultimate moral truths or even our most basic axioms or systems.
So if I offer a trolley problem like postwar Hitler who was captured and given a full judicial trial and found guilty and admitted his own guilt vs 5000 newborn babies, most people will realistically opt to kill Hitler. Why? Because whether or not we all agree on the same ultimate moral authorities, we can still conduct moral discussions and come to moral agreements. We do this all the time. A Muslim and a Christian can both agree that murder is wrong.
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2018-12-22 at 9:42 PM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
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2018-12-22 at 10:59 AM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
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2018-12-22 at 10:46 AM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
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2018-12-22 at 9:58 AM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs Attention
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2018-12-22 at 9:57 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe I don't think I did, it really is just personal preference. Maybe you misunderstand what moral obligations really are?
You are more guilty of conflating the two than anyone else in the thread.I think people are going to eat each other, kill each other and destroy each other regardless of whether or not you or I think it is right or wrong or what our preferences are. The system makes these things illegal because these things are bad for the system, disrupt cohesion. Whether you or I believe these behaviors are right or wrong is irrelevant to what the system does.
What you think is completely irrelevant to the moral reality of meat consumption. Whether or not people are too stupid to make the right moral decision is an irrelevant response. Maybe you are having troubles with athletic abilities?A solution to all of that impending doom you mentioned is something the system is going to be seeking if it doesn't want to collapse. Nobody has any real obligation to do anything at all, though some people feel like they do.
Do you have a moral obligation to not kill children and burn their corpses over rubber tires in your backyard?The system will utilize propaganda to compel you to feel a certain way, the system will attempt to influence your beliefs but that's all they are. Beliefs, feelings, opinions and preferences. You really can do whatever you want to do, but try to destroy the system you face the consequences. Everyone is doing what matters to them, and the system is doing what matters to it. Maybe everything will collapse and turn back into dust one day.
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2018-12-22 at 9:52 AM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
Originally posted by gadzooks Again, super contrived hypothetical, and you are trying to use vivid imagery to elicit emotional responses.
In fact, the fact that your imagination goes to such places so easily is kind of disturbing.
Not at all. Again, I'm trying to specifically isolate your moral principles with a reduction as absurdum. You can't just cry your way out of a valid point. Again, we're not going to have a discussion if you insist on a shit absolute with no justification.But to address the point you're trying to make here…
I assume you mean "reductio ad absurdum"…
Yes it's an autocorrect typo.I can concoct just as many hypothetical scenarios in which one might be tempted to use a baseball bat on someone's face as you can.
If anything, all it's doing is diminishing your point.
Tell me how.There is still a difference between your situation about my perverted neighbor and BOTH scenarios described above.
Of course there is. But you have to show that it is a difference of kind, or if in fact it is a difference of degree, why you draw the line wherever you draw it.3. Getting revenge against the perverted neighbor because the criminal justice system has failed.
#1 is absolutely unnecessary.
#2 is clearly necessary.
#3 is not necessary, but perhaps somewhat understandable.
These are three different scenarios that do not correlate at all.
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2018-12-22 at 12:54 AM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs Attention
Originally posted by hydromorphone Your grandfather sounds like a selfish asshole. Don't assume I would proceed as that, nor do not assume I don't know what I'm doing just because he did not know what the fuck he was doing. At some point, enough is enough. I personally, because of how my own feelings have come about, tend to say the 'enough' part is enough, a lot sooner than most people would, just because it's not something I personally would want to go through, especially if the odds of a full recovery are low. I've ended the suffering of quite a few animals I can honestly say I loved far more than any person, that I would have traded places for, that I would have killed for, if I thought it would do them any good. I only usually will take it further ONLY if I'm able to control pain. I won't let something suffer.
Actually, she did see a vet prior to me going about to treat her, and the vet didn't even catch that it was a snake bite- I couldn't afford to get IV fluids for her, and even begged the vet to take my vehicle, with a signed title as collateral until I got paid in two days. Fucking cunt wouldn't do it and had the nerve to say "Well, you better come up with the money else I know she's gonna die without those IV fluids" Yeah, bitch, I already knew that before I walked in here (I only took her because I'd been working 80 hour weeks, and had to be in at work soon that evening and still ended up treating her myself).
I realized it was a rattle snake bite a day later, when the bite on her neck finally started to open up into two big holes, which eventually formed into one giant hole the size of my fist from going necrotic. Her receiving IV fluids is what saved her. Fortunately, the size diapers my son was in at the time fit around her perfect, and covered the site. I used silver sulfadine ointment on her wound, and had her on bactrim to prevent infection until it scabbed over and began to heal. I had her initially, when she presented with dehydration on IV fluids for 2 days, then discontinued once I determined she was well hydrated, drinking on her own, and eating well, and she was much more energetic than she was the day it occurred. The first day, I'd given her a percocet every 8 hours, and did that for approx 2 1/2 days, until she was mostly back to herself, and doing better. I'd spot dosed her slightly more once or twice when I felt she needed a tad bit extra for pain, especially once I realized she'd been bitten.
If I couldn't have treated her pain, and that would have persisted for any length of time, as much as I loved her, I wouldn't have let her go on suffering. I just knew that there was a good chance that with IV fluids, I could pull her through, and I was right.
Certainly, even if I'd known from go she'd been bitten, I couldn't have even given her antivenom (assuming I had availability to it, and cost was no object), since I could not confirm for sure, especially then, what type of snake had bitten her. I deduced it was a rattlesnake only because there were rattlesnakes around the house, I'd recently seen and killed one, I wasn't near any bodies of water, although there were cottonmouths in the area, and the way it went necrotic, fit the bill. The most a vet would have done, unless it was CERTAIN (ie I saw it bite her/killed and brought it in with me), is to treat the symptoms, and treat the wound. I did everything a vet would have done, and hell, even more since I actually gave her legit pain meds too. If you or I were snake bit, you bet your ass our pain would be treated at the least with a mild opioid, but it's not always the case for animals just because of cost, and well… I feel a lot of animals are under treated for pain, honestly, just because they can't say they're in pain, the propaganda of the "opioid crisis", and cost.
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2018-12-21 at 10:58 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs Attention
Originally posted by hydromorphone Honestly, if that person was expressing pain, I'd just go with a topical anesthetic at the most.
Look, I don't believe people should be in pain, but there has to be a line. An example… When §m£ÂgØL had to get stitches for his hand (Oh yeah, I forgot, the cunt doctor didn't even write an antibiotic script, which for fucks sake, I would have considering we told them it was cut moving aluminum sheeting that had been sitting outside, and in actuality, it was a dog bite, either way, I believe a preemptive course of antibiotics was in order, which is why I put him on bactrim, I believe.) I feel that he should have at least gotten a few days worth of hydrocodone. Since all I had in my arsenal was tramadol, that's what §m£ÂgØL got. I even gave him some somas just to sweeten the pot, and because I felt bad, even though I know that they wouldn't serve much use for his condition, save maybe to help him sleep. The doctor did such a piss poor suture job it made me cringe too… I let him play with my tits while my ex changed his bandages so he wouldn't cry, bitch and/pass out from being a pussy who's squeamish as fuck. That's another form of pain control- distraction.
Now, for what happened… no, I don't think he should have gotten more than a few days worth of pain meds, and nothing stronger than a 7.5mg hydrocodone, but I do believe pain should be taken into consideration, and treated fairly.
Should a stubbed toe get pain killers? Not unless they actually broke their toe or something. Should a paper cut or similar cut? At best a topical anesthetic, like benzocaine or lidocaine.
Also, I do believe one should start somewhere without opioids, unless they're experiencing severe acute pain. In that case, stop the pain, and then figure if something else can work, but no one should be left to suffer if there's something that can help the pain.
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2018-12-21 at 10:57 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs Attention
Originally posted by hydromorphone Off their property? When I was discharged, and I sat down in the lobby to be picked up, I was told by security to leave AT A DIFFERENT hospital than I'm at now, and beyond a towel, and a couple alcohol pads (seriously, I took the 4 left in my room), i didn't take a single thing. I later followed up with the administration. Apparently, they were concerned I was homeless and they've been told to not allow the homeless, and/or those released from the ER to wait in their lobby. The security was unaware I had been admitted for 10 days.
As for helping others with the sit I've gotten (and I've bought quite a lot of shit myself, back in the day, when money wasn't such an issue), I have. I have saved lives. Most of those lives happened to be of the animal variety, but a life is a life at the end of the day, and for most things, it's the same, be it a person or animal. Calcium treats ketosis in people as well as cows, goats, horses, and dogs. If it's IVed, it needs to be done very, very, very slowly. I knew a veterinarian who should have known better who ended up killing my friend's cow who had ketosis by quickly IVing calcium. The cow was dead in less than 5 minutes, and resulted in her convulsing right before the end. He also botched a C-section, which frankly, wasn't even worth the time to attempt with the IVed calcium, and the amount of time it took them to even start, much less pull the calf. I'm sure it was worth it to that idiot though with the hefty bill he charged her though.
I've placed a feeding tube (nasogastic tube) down a couple baby goats and calves before, which I never missed, and I had a pretty good success rate of bring the one's I did do that to around. You've got to understand here, that when I began, I didn't have any experience, and just that of my father whom was well versed in veterinary medicine to help me, but he was just there to talk me through it, I had to do it on my own. I was in situations where if I didn't do it, I knew for sure those animals were going to die. At least by doing what I did, I gave them a small glimmer of hope of making it. I've certainly had a high rate of death, but considering when I've gotten the calls, they were already in 'snowball's chance in hell' territory to begin with, and when you're dealing with animals who live outside (and can't really be brought indoors, besides a barn which is just as dirty as outside, with dust and debris floating around), you're not going to see the same success rates you otherwise would see in say a person, who is in a 99% clean and sanitary environment, with the ability to keep the temperature a comfortable 72 degrees no matter what time of year it is. Also, when you're dealing with animals, particularly livestock, it's not like a person who says "hey, I feel terrible, and my throat hurts" days before they develop a cough, so by the time you realize the animal is sick, they usually are a lot sicker than when the treatment for a human would begin, in most cases, anyway.
When shit is serious, I do recommend people go to the ER, or at least their doctor. I've treated people with sutures, who needed it, because first, they weren't going to go anyway, and they didn't have insurance and want that huge bill. I've drained abscesses before too for similar reasons. Unless it was in a life or death situation, where there wasn't time to get them to an ER/EMTs to get to them or no medical help was available, I wouldn't be doing a circothyrotomy, or doing any crazy shit, but I tell you what, I want to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and often times with animals, it's the case where I treat them or they don't get treated, so I do what I have to do.
I can at least say this when it's come to my animal patients: I've acted when no one else has, or would have, and even if they didn't make it, I gave them a chance they otherwise didn't have, and I went down fighting with them, I gave it my all.
Hell, I saved a 5lb little dog who's back hips got smashed in by her own owners who ran her over. She's alive and well right now and can stand on her hind legs and dance around right now because I gave it the ol' college try, and pulled her through when no one else would have. She also got doped up on percocets my father had just bought because he was going through WDs from his doctor being shut down, and he gave them to this little dog who wasn't even ours, because she was truly suffering in pain.
Everyone, doctors, nurses, plebotomists, IV therapy… they all start somewhere. They all study, they all have their first patient, their first *insert procedure/surgery here*, they all have to begin at the beginning. Now, I have done a lot in my life, but I know I have more to learn, and more experience to gain, more hands on practice to put under my belt, but I'm far from a novice. I didn't go the usual route in learning what I know, but knowledge is all the same, despite where it comes from. Of course, I know there is a lot left to learn, but that's why I continue reading, I continue to pick people's brains who have more knowledge and experience than myself, and that's why I continue the pursuit of gathering such knowledge and experience. I have a passion for medicine, and always have, and I've spent a long time gathering as much knowledge, and experience as I can. Hell, I've been known to teach a doctor a thing or two, an attending at that, even at a hospital as prestigious as Hopkins, and I've also learned a lot from those I've been around too. It goes both ways, and it's called 'practicing' medicine, because one is never done learning.
Certainly, accept your limitations, and hell, if I worked in healthcare, I wouldn't be doing shit to others outside my job title for fear of losing my job, or worse, getting a malpractice/practicing without a license (which sure I could get the latter, but the people I've doctored up aren't going to do that anyway, and I'm not going to be doing any serious shit on someone again unless it's life or death, and there's no other option.)
Just because someone has the title of a doctor, or a veterinarian , or whatever else their title is, doesn't mean they SHOULD be practicing, or that they know what they're doing. You're very naive or an idiot if you think otherwise. Certainly, there are many, many competent folks in their field, but to think there aren't some who fall through the cracks, cheat their way through, or somehow manage to make it through medical school/nursing school, that's just wishful thinking, and not reality at all.
Voltage gates work by being responsive to voltage potential which affects ions passing into a cell membrane since they usually can't get through otherwise. They regulate how much gets through by being open for short periods, by being affected by the concentration of ions, and opening and closing, or being inactive based on the changes in polarity on both sides of the cell membrane.
When you consume protein, it's broken down into amino acids that form peptides which go to te liver where the liver synthesizes proteins which are sent to the sites needed to repair muscles, and the DNA gives instruction on how the aminos are woven together to repair/build muscle.
In a nut shell. Of course there's a lot more complex shit going on with those two different things, but for the sake of time, and just to give you a rough explanation, there ya go.
Dude, I don't know why you've got so hung up about opioids just because I use them to treat chronic pain. I think maybe you have more of a problem here than I do. Just because someone uses a drug to improve their quality of life, and that drug happens to be opioids, it doesn't mean they know nothing about other biological functions. I am aware there is more to medicine than opioids, and more ways than opioids to treat pain too. Don't think I haven't tried more than opioids to reduce my pain either. I take gabapentin, and I'm on 1,200mg tid. It helps with the neuropathy pain I experience from the surgeries, and also with my anxiety. (I originally was prescribed it at 100mg for anxiety, then went up to 300mg prior to having surgery.) Hell, when pain is caused by inflammation, NSAIDs and steroids can do a great job of alleviating pain, just by reducing the pressure, and swelling inflammation can cause. They also have risks that opioids don't have too. (Like, I'm kinda scratching my head on why my doctors have me on ibprofen, naproxen, intermittent keterolac and then decide to throw celebrex in the mix when I'm on warfrin… I would say that okay, one, fine, but the risk increases of GI bleeding when you throw in celebrex by a lot on it's own not to mention with an NSAID, not one but two regular, and the other spotted… I wouldn't make that call… I wouldn't want to risk it.)
Frankly, you have it in your head as to who I am, and what I know, when in truth, you know jack shit about who I am, and especially about what I know. I've forgotten more than all the knowledge you possess in your wee bitty brain there more than likely. I don't know though. I am not going to claim to know ALL about you just from a few posts on a forum though. What I do know is, is that you're the sort who thinks they know it all just from the first layer they see of a person, and from experience, people like that tend to stay ignorant, at least in the ways of learning about the people around them.
Well, I wasn't wrong with your diagnosis, and you sure didn't have an issue with taking the drugs I gave you. Certainly, I would have "prescribed" other things, but I did the best with what I had, you have to remember. You dealt with a shitty doctor, who did a shitty suture job, and didn't even prescribe you a days worth of pain meds, and I don't even believe gave you shit to change your dressing even (I believe with the latter, but I could be wrong… but I'm pretty sure we had to use the shit I had on hand). I was also on the money about your lovely persistent yeast infection too, and the fact that you kept reinfecting yourself by not cleaning your fucky toys properly.
My ratio may be less, but the odds against me have been worse than that of accredited doctors. For one, they have access to every pharmaceutical on the market, and in a hospital setting, price isn't an object when it comes down to saving a life. Another thing, animals have far different living situations than humans, and animals can't really tell you when they come down with a cold, or when something is wrong. You have to see it, and hope you catch it early, but sometimes you don't so youre dealing with something that's gone way past the point most human beings have been seen and admitted in the hospital.
Considering all the fucking odds against me, I've done a pretty damn good job. When fucking sodium chloride got made RX only for vet use, I didn't fucking flinch. I fucking got distilled water, and figured out the ratio of salt to add, and fucking had to SubQ it to a dog who was so dehydrated I couldn't get an IV in her. Finally did get her hydrated enough for an IV, and set her up. I couldn't tell she'd been bitten by a rattle snake until days later when the site when necrotic and opened up (a person would have said "I was bit by a fucking snake!!!" she couldn't.). She's alive today because I said FUCK THE MAN and fucking did it myself, and then said fuck your precious bagged sodium chloride, I'll fucking MAKE MY OWN. I sure wasn't going to stand by and let my dog die, I had to do something.
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2018-12-21 at 10:56 PM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
Originally posted by gadzooks My absolute declaration is that the kind of hypothetical violence you spoke of earlier is excessive and, more importantly, unnecessary.
Let's imagine your neighbour is a pedophile and has raped your son in the asshole, and came down his throat. You've called the police and they have investigated him but they never found any evidence because he was real meticulous. He still loves right next to you. Your son grows up and every once in a while you hear him sobbing from his room. You take him to the doctor, he has anal fissures from being raped in the ass by something serrated. You call the police again. They investigate again, and they find no evidence, and this time they tell you that frankly, they're getting a little concerned about you and your son's injuries.
One day when you're watering your yard, you see him drive right by you, slowly, and he stares right at you, with a sneer, until he can't turn any more.
One day you take your son to the park and you see him playing baseball in the distance. He's the catcher. After the game, he stands up, takes off his mask, calls to you.
"Your son can handle a bat, Gadzooks. You wanna come see the tapes?"
He's inviting you to come back to his room, possibly so he can talk shit and blackmail you with tales of your son being impaled on his cock and sucking his balls. You can see a bat you can stealthily take. What do you do?There is a clear difference between that scenario and the one you concocted wherein violence is actually necessary.
Intellectual dishonesty is trying to claim that these two scenarios are even remotely comparable:
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2018-12-21 at 10:40 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatYou can send then all to loing, he will take care of them.
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2018-12-21 at 10:39 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe No, I don't.
Okay, and I'm presuming you wouldn't think it's acceptable for people to kill or destroy other people's homes for recreation.
We put overwhelmingly more calories into the generation of meat than necessary for the production of vegetables, and vegetables are cheaper and easier to produce. Cattle accounts for over 90% of the world's carbon emissions. We could have complete and total food abundance by simply switching to vegan diets and totally eliminate most of global climate change overnight.
We are literally destroying homes, right now, by eating meat. Rising sea levels are literally forcing Sri Lankan people to leave their homes from their beautiful island and come to the mainland, which is receding too.
Yes, you have a moral obligation to stop eating meat.
As a bonus, we don't need to operate pain mills, where we just generate suffering and pain and fear in innocent animals, born sinless but destined for a life of pain and a brutal end. Never to roam a real field and graze real grass, fed corn and raised in a pen with two inches of leg room since it comes stumbling out it's calf, born ambling and ironically optimistic for the great world it has just arrived in. What a sad, sudden break with reality he will meat. We can end that. -
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2018-12-21 at 8:15 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs AttentionLoing vaping on some tight rite
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2018-12-21 at 6:26 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs AttentionShut the fuck up.
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2018-12-21 at 1:11 PM UTC in What happened to Sophie/Psychomanthis?
Originally posted by gadzooks Thus supporting my point that the compulsions are incomparable.
How? I don't fight my sexual urge all day either.You're trying to compare a food-desire to a sexual compulsion. These are two entirely different things.
You have to say exactly how.I imagine I could, but then again, it's a hypothetical that I have no personal experience with.
Hence why I try not to assume what it's like to be in such a scenario.
Would you say that a person who would rape someone under these circumstances is bad or no.I absolutely knew you would bring up such a hypothetical.
It's why I, at the last minute, edited my post to include the word "virtually" in there.
I did that because I could predict that you would bring up some kind of ridiculously unrealistic hypothetical scenario and try to say "AHA! So you WOULD take a bat to someone's face! GOT YOU!".
There's a huge difference between admitting that in such a contrived hypothetical scenario you would have to resort to violence, and what you said earlier in this thread.
You seem to relish in some kind of anticipatory desire to use violence.
That's where we differ.
We both oppose adults having sex with children.
You, on the other hand, fantasize about violence towards those who do.
The addition of the "virtually" is actually the problem, not sure why you're bouncing to it like it was your redeeming ace-in-the-hole.
I made this hypothetical because obviously, you do see there are cases where you would take the bat to someone's face. If you can admit that, we can discuss if and under what circumstances it would be justified for a pedophile.
We can't do that if you make an absolute declaration, and then try to maintain it by couching it with the "virtually" qualifier. An intellectually honest person wouldn't be trying to eat their cake and have it too in this way.
