Originally posted by 霍比特人说中文不好
I don't know why you keep bringing up this "But there will always be some" thing because nobody said that legalization was perfect and that it would solve all the problems. It's just better than the unregulated wild west shit we've got going on in people's bodies right now.
I'm glad you agree "there will always be some". Some portion of opiate users will develop destructive habits, so use of opiates always carries some risk. I'm saying we need to consider the risk of potentially increased use due to legalization and weigh that against the advantages of legalization. You seem to miss that I'm not denying most of the advantages of legalization you're talking about, but you do seem to be ignoring the very possible disadvantages.
Also opioids are far from hydro's main problem. She's also got legitimate health problems and kinda needs them. I know lots of people call bullshit on those, but trust me when I say that she has legit pain. If she didn't I'd be the first to call her out on it. Anyway, she's not really a good example here since we'd be bringing medicine into it.
Did you mean that like "trust me when I say I have direct access to the qualia of other people" or more like "trust me, I questionably impregnated this woman and therefore am able to provide a medical diagnosis and that diagnosis is she needs heroin"?
Your study is unworthy as they're most certainly not teaching people anything like what I'm talking about.
Lol, OK, so legalization is only good if you get to be the czar of drug education and dictate what is and isn't true about drugs? Did you even read the paper?
Your argument is what… that people can't learn
No, as I've said multiple times, my argument is drug education in adults is of limited efficacy. As a corollary I offer that most destructive patterns of drug use arise from negligence rather than ignorance.
1. Education leads to safer decision making. It is true with smoking, teen pregnancy, texting while driving, drunk driving, diet, etc. Find me one study which says otherwise… I'm not even going to bother citing anything because its a waste of my time.
lol, that's not how this works bud.
2. I don't even know what you mean by this. You want me to what, look up budgets?
Non-anecdotal evidence that education campaigns lead to measurably safer decision making (like your whole claim here) would be a good start
You do not have experience with people Lanny. It is blatantly clear by your perception of addicts being dysfunctional, and believing that addiction is a detriment to society because of that. Because of this, you do not have a reasonable pool to draw from when it comes to your own personal opinions about what is and isn't harmful to society. It's pretty fucking puritan and it just seems like you're saying addicts = bad.
Lol, ok §m£ÂgØL, clearly your vast intrapersonal knowledge is so comprehensive my meager peer reviewed journal article or my own human experience can't hold a flame to it. Clearly you have all kinds of life experience and are reaping the tremendous benefits of having such keen insight into the human condition at the ripe old age of, uhh, how old are you, are you 20 yet? 25?
That said, I'd ask you turn some of your insight into the minds and hearts of men towards me in order to pull your head out of your ass and realize it's possible for people to be opposed to blanket drug legalization without fitting your comic mental image of the "puritan" (nice buzzword bud) middle american conservative.
OK, but abstinence doesn't work.
nice slogan bro
I also don't know why you think legalization would lead to more addicts
We agree that use will always entail some addicts. Does it not seem reasonable that higher use would lead to more addicts? And that legal drugs tend to be used more than illegal ones?
why you think you can actually reduce use by reducing supply.
Well one reason might be because we find very low incidence of illegal drug use in countries where illegal drugs are highly non-available.
In legal states, Marijuana use typically rises right around legalization and then shortly drops. There are less teens who use too and are thus prevented from using during some of the more vulnerable stages of an addict's life.
You want to give me a source there bud?
Blaming alcohol or drugs for these problems is absolutely retarded.
Clearly, but since you didn't actually answer my question do you want to give a clear yes or no to the question:
Really? You can't think of any crimes that are a product of alcoholism?
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Obviously legalization in itself would be different, a little bit more freeing and probably less beneficial, but it's still better than the current system.
Oh ok, well if something might be "probably less beneficial" according to §m£ÂgØL than a public program that "literally has no downsides" well then that's enough to convince me.
Again, you lack some serious athletic abilities. Let me repeat it for you. Drugs are illegal. They are expensive. They are expensive because they are illegal. What you quoted says NOTHING about addiction.
The quote I replied to for your refrence:
I'm not saying it's impossible to have a sustainable opiate habit, but I'm saying the chances of regular opiate use turning unsustainable, the ratio of junkies to functional users, is a lot different than other drugs and legislation ought to take this difference into account.
So let me get this straight… you think that because a thing is illegal and expensive to get access to is the reason it seems to be more highly addictive than other things? Yes, of course, this must be why our streets are brimming over with sharkfin soup and tortoise meat addicts. We made eating endangered animals illegal so now all these people have wound up dysfunctionally addicted to them. It's so obvious now…
We're talking about the ratio of junkies to functional users (presumably you agree if you have a non-functional drug addiction then you're a junkie for the purposes of this discussion at least), so are you saying being a junkie doesn't have anything to do with addiction or what?
Confirmed Californian. Holy shit. I should have read this before I typed any of the rest of this. Fucking LOL. God I did not realize I was talking to one of *those* Christ.
You seem upset. That's OK
Post last edited by Lanny at 2017-09-13T19:39:55.081740+00:00