Originally posted by aldra
my prediction is that NATO will goad the Ukraine into starting a fight then stay out of it. they'll use the opportunity to learn more about the C&C aspects of Russia's new weapons systems, try to punish them politically and make it as expensive as possible for Russia to try to rehabilitate Eastern Ukraine
it is also very certain that ukraine will get loads of free and modern USArms and i wonder if theres anything new they'll be testing.
Originally posted by aldra
my prediction is that NATO will goad the Ukraine into starting a fight then stay out of it. they'll use the opportunity to learn more about the C&C aspects of Russia's new weapons systems, try to punish them politically and make it as expensive as possible for Russia to try to rehabilitate Eastern Ukraine
That's almost exactly what they did in 2014 as well as trying to use that as justification for making another anti Russia bloc and that didn't turn out so well.
Germany's New chancellor/coalition is the big factor. Germany is the gatekeepers of the EU and their relationship with Russia is what can incentivize them to act different far more than the magnitsky act and finger wagging can
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Originally posted by Sudo
That's almost exactly what they did in 2014 as well as trying to use that as justification for making another anti Russia bloc and that didn't turn out so well.
Germany's New chancellor/coalition is the big factor. Germany is the gatekeepers of the EU and their relationship with Russia is what can incentivize them to act different far more than the magnitsky act and finger wagging can
Germany's new government (/bloc) is even more pro-nato than Merkel was. it's weird for a 'greens' party to be so far right in terms of foreign policy
yes that guy crow is from serbia and they constantly fight on there. Crow is generally nuts like all serbian but I like him. They think on there me and him are like the same or one of a pot.
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
it is also very certain that ukraine will get loads of free and modern USArms and i wonder if theres anything new they'll be testing.
I'm not sure about that - I mean of course they'll funnel arms in, but given how much gear the Ukrainian military has already lost to the rebels I don't think they'll be giving them anything that's not already publicly known.
If both sides are smart they'll be smuggling in GoPros and 4G towers, in order to document the crimes of the other side.
You bombard a civilian area, you wind up with something like this:
Reality just doesn't support the attacking side in any of these narrowly populated, ageing, post soviet towns. You shredded 100 babushkas with rocket artillery, then moved in and lost 100 tanks against RPGs and mines, just to take some poverty stricken village with a depleted coal mine in the just about infinite east European plain?
So it could suffer an ageing population, declining birth rates, economic decline, demographic collapse, and mass emigration under a Russian flag instead of under a Ukrainian one?
At least the babushkas would have far more money under Moscow than they would under Kyiv. So from a humanitarian POV I suppose I have to support it.
Ultimately both sides would have been way better off under Berlin though.
Originally posted by aldra
I'm not sure about that - I mean of course they'll funnel arms in, but given how much gear the Ukrainian military has already lost to the rebels I don't think they'll be giving them anything that's not already publicly known.
they will get more. thats the whole point of US foreign aid to fledging democracies.
They jsut said it right now Ukrainians in donbas cannot operate alone without russia. What you got to say about that Aldra what Polish nes in english even says and its not "western news":
the average person is retarded and 50% of people are dumber than that
the majority of people have no business giving opinions on such things because they only rely on one source - like Tech, it's not even really their opinion because all they're doing is repeating what they've heard without any sort of critical analysis or investigation of opposing perspectives
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