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Hey theists, convince me into believing in God.
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2021-07-13 at 5:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ God doesn't use magic. It has nothing to do with magic. He uses pure science to accomplish his will. Everything he does is through the use of natural science, and he knows the whole of it. Knowledge really is power.
then why he used the least efficient way to achieve his goals. -
2021-07-13 at 5:57 PM UTC
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2021-07-13 at 6 PM UTC
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2021-07-13 at 6:01 PM UTC
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2021-07-13 at 6:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Same way humans need to create, God also needs to create. We are made in his image, after all.
so you just contradicked yourself.
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ God doesn't use magic. It has nothing to do with magic. He uses pure science to accomplish his will. Everything he does is through the use of natural science, and he knows the whole of it. Knowledge really is power.
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2021-07-13 at 6:20 PM UTC
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2021-07-13 at 6:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev "it is too complex to understand so therefore god"
thats fallacious
Imagine being hundreds of miles out in the woods where no man has set foot before. You stumble upon a multi-million-dollar mansion, complete with statues, marble columns, swimming pool, magnificent tapestries across the structure, standing right there in No-Man's-Land. You are shocked, but you go ahead in and witness rich carpeting, spiraling stairways, cathedral ceilings, stately paintings on the walls, luxurious furnishings throughout, with over 20 rooms in color-coordinated arrangement. But you're out in the middle of nowhere and no human has set foot there before! You surmise the place must have just got there by itself over billions of years. Over an immense period of time, the nails just finally pounded themselves into the boards, arranged themselves according to the specific measurements required, and all the other components just assembled themselves over billions of years of trial and error. The necessary components moved themselves around, by themselves, under their own power, and finally, after trillions and trillions of tries, the mansion finally came to be what you see before you. That's how ludicrous the evolution theory really is. Even Darwin himself, on his deathbed, admitted the lunacy of his own theory and begged forgiveness. It's the religion of loons. -
2021-07-13 at 6:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny so you just contradicked yourself.
There's no contradiction at all. 99.9999% of people don't realize that God isn't some obscure, ethereal, misty, anomalous being. In fact, he looks very much like a regular human male. As recorded at Genesis chapter 18, we see that God is actually very much in a human form, and can walk about and eat and socialize just the same as a human. God was one of the three "men" Abraham saw in the distance and invited into his tent for a meal and discussion. And this is only one instance of many recorded in the ancient scrolls.
18 Afterward, Jehovah+ appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre+ while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. 2 He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him.+ When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 3 Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. 4 Please, let a little water be brought and have your feet washed;+ then recline under the tree. 5 Seeing that you have come here to your servant, let me bring a piece of bread so that you may refresh yourselves.* Then you may go on your way.” At this they said: “All right. You may do as you have spoken.”
6 So Abraham hurried to the tent to Sarah and said: “Quick! Get three measures* of fine flour, knead the dough, and make loaves of bread.” 7 Next Abraham ran to the herd and chose a tender and good young bull. He gave it to the attendant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had prepared and set the food before them. Then he stood by them under the tree as they were eating. -
2021-07-13 at 6:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Imagine being hundreds of miles out in the woods where no man has set foot before. You stumble upon a multi-million-dollar mansion, complete with statues, marble columns, swimming pool, magnificent tapestries across the structure, standing right there in No-Man's-Land. You are shocked, but you go ahead in and witness rich carpeting, spiraling stairways, cathedral ceilings, stately paintings on the walls, luxurious furnishings throughout, with over 20 rooms in color-coordinated arrangement. But you're out in the middle of nowhere and no human has set foot there before! You surmise the place must have just got there by itself over billions of years. Over an immense period of time, the nails just finally pounded themselves into the boards, arranged themselves according to the specific measurements required, and all the other components just assembled themselves over billions of years of trial and error. The necessary components moved themselves around, by themselves, under their own power, and finally, after trillions and trillions of tries, the mansion finally came to be what you see before you. That's how ludicrous the evolution theory really is. Even Darwin himself, on his deathbed, admitted the lunacy of his own theory and begged forgiveness. It's the religion of loons.
thats called the watchmaker fallacy, we know what houses are, we know what statues are. we know they are designed, we SAW them get designed.
until you show convincing evidence of a deity personally designing any part of the planet, you are full of shit.
im not even some neckbeard atheist tard, im on the fence, but if you are gonna make materialistic arguments to support the existence of a deity, you already fucked up before you started because you will be unable, no matter what to back that up with anything material.
my advice, keep your arguments philosophical or abstract in nature, that way it is unfalsifiable. -
2021-07-13 at 6:51 PM UTCBy the very nature of the study of reality, we cannot deny the intelligent design involved.
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2021-07-13 at 6:58 PM UTCthat doesnt mean anything
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2021-07-13 at 7 PM UTC
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2021-07-13 at 10:43 PM UTCIf you aren't part of the God you are left out of the trend. Don't you want to be cool?
What does worshiping a deity remove from your life? It only enhances it and you can meet pretty girls. -
2021-07-14 at 1:38 PM UTC
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2021-07-14 at 1:49 PM UTC
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2021-07-14 at 2:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ There's no contradiction at all. 99.9999% of people don't realize that God isn't some obscure, ethereal, misty, anomalous being. In fact, he looks very much like a regular human male. As recorded at Genesis chapter 18, we see that God is actually very much in a human form, and can walk about and eat and socialize just the same as a human. God was one of the three "men" Abraham saw in the distance and invited into his tent for a meal and discussion. And this is only one instance of many recorded in the ancient scrolls.
18 Afterward, Jehovah+ appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre+ while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. 2 He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him.+ When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 3 Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. 4 Please, let a little water be brought and have your feet washed;+ then recline under the tree. 5 Seeing that you have come here to your servant, let me bring a piece of bread so that you may refresh yourselves.* Then you may go on your way.” At this they said: “All right. You may do as you have spoken.”
6 So Abraham hurried to the tent to Sarah and said: “Quick! Get three measures* of fine flour, knead the dough, and make loaves of bread.” 7 Next Abraham ran to the herd and chose a tender and good young bull. He gave it to the attendant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had prepared and set the food before them. Then he stood by them under the tree as they were eating.
based on what science did god came to the conclusion that he needed to make humans. -
2021-07-14 at 7:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by Chairman Takeshi Kaga If your only explanation for a designer is another designer then by extension you must use the same explanation for the next designer in the sequence. So your god is just the lowest level god in a chain of gods and there's no real explanation possible. This is what the Mormons believe and introduces infinite entities.
But what you WANT to say is the next designer needed no designer. That there is some original designer that came about without needing another one to make him.
And that's precisely what we are trying to explain, how that works. That was Darwin's great inversion of reasoning: how can design emerge from uncomprehending processes? It is the metaphysical junction where chemistry turns into biology.
We are the intelligent designers who came by uncomprehending processes. There is great physical evidence to this effect. But it is also the most parsimonious assertion because we arrive at the same end result (trying to explain how an intelligent designer can come to be) but minus one unnecessary additional entity. -
2021-07-14 at 7:40 PM UTC
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