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Conflict Shitpile III - Diplomacy Defunct Edition
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2018-09-10 at 5:32 PM UTCLOL
The US, specifically Bolton, is now planning to sanction the ICC and threatens to do the same to any country that investigates US or Israeli war crimes -
2018-09-10 at 6:49 PM UTChttp://freenations.net/200-british-and-us-troops-trapped-in-idlib/
Interesting. No idea how reliable this is as I haven't seen it verified by a source I trust, but it certainly would explain a lot -
2018-09-11 at 4:27 AM UTCWhat the fuck were they doing there? I could see it being support staff but not troops. They should know not to even go near a hospital there
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2018-09-11 at 7:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo What the fuck were they doing there? I could see it being support staff but not troops. They should know not to even go near a hospital there
'Advisors' to the rebels, training them on how to use TOWs, drones and shit. It's happened a few times in the past; the Tigers moved into Aleppo a lot faster than they expected and ended up catching a bunker full of foreign military advisors. -
2018-09-11 at 8:39 PM UTC
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2018-09-12 at 3:14 PM UTChttps://www.rt.com/news/438282-white-helmets-film-chemical-attacks/
Russian media is really going all out this time - documenting every step to demonstrate to people that, when it happens, these attacks were all pre-planned and orchestrated.
Of course there's always a chance they're wrong or fabricating evidence, but I don't have much reason to doubt them considering how accurately the information was prior to the last few 'chemical attacks'. -
2018-09-12 at 6:09 PM UTCThey're really asking for it too - a barrage of Grad missiles were launched from Idlib just now, landing in the suburbs of Latakia where Russia maintains a significant airbase.
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2018-09-13 at 1:49 AM UTCNikki Haley is very very pretty.
From the little I know of her, she seems to have a good grip on the reality ofhow international events actually play out. -
2018-09-13 at 2:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra They're really asking for it too - a barrage of Grad missiles were launched from Idlib just now, landing in the suburbs of Latakia where Russia maintains a significant airbase.
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That's fucking reckless. That and tartus are the alawite strongholds and pretty much the only places in Syria that aren't full on mad max. Those terrorists sure seem to have a deathwish.
Turkey is doing everything it can to aid the fight against the Kurds without jumping across the border. Erdogan would likely prefer them to be aiming the missiles east instead of west -
2020-09-11 at 3:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader i've always believe the reason mh17 was shot down was becos the russians/russo-friendly rebels were trying to shoot down p3 that was flying above it.
you have to remember that it was told to DESCEND about a few thousand feet by air traffic control.
on active war zone.
for whats its worth .....
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-aircraft-caught-spying-chinese-missile-test-disguised-malaysian-plane -
2020-09-11 at 3:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Conflict Shitpile III - Diplomacy Defunct Edition
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3a13qe
Rundown as of 06/09/2017
SYRIA - ISIS is most certainly on the ropes; a joint operation involving the SAA and allies broke the siege on Deir Eizzor and drove ISIS from the region. They have nowhere to go in Syria given that Raqqa is under siege and a fallback to Deir Eizzor has been denied, but 'divine intervention' will likely save them from being crushed entirely as they're still valuable as a disruptive force in Central Asia against the Chinese-funded 'New Silk Roads'.
In terms of the Deir Eizzor operation, hardened ISIS positions were obliterated by Russian bombers and Kalibr TBMs, then SAA and Hezbullah commando units infiltrated ISIS positions via the airport, flanking the ISIS troops as the Tigers pushed them back.
Israel is throwing a tantrum; with ISIS being turned to paste their 'buffer zone' between them and the Syrian military is gone, prompting Netenyahu to threaten to 'bomb the palace at Damascus' if Iranian and Hezbullah forces do not leave Syria immediately. Assad more or less told him to get bent, and in response, Syria and Russia have integrated their anti-aircraft systems in the country. This means that everything from the Russian long-range S300/400s (with extremely powerful radar) at Tartus are able to share targeting data with the Syrian PANTSIR mobile anti-aircraft platforms hidden around the countryside and vice-versa, for example.
YEMEN - Yemen is still being starved by the head of the UNHRC - the two major ports, Hodeida and Aedan are blockaded by the Saudi coalition and neither food, medical supplies or fuel are being allowed through - as mentioned previously even supplies designated to UN missions are being blocked.
Even so, Yemen is far from being defeated - Saudi Arabia has no real army to speak of; in terms of ground forces they rely heavily on Central African mercenaries (Sudan and Somalia are the biggest providers) who are typically turned to mince by the now-heavily experienced Yemeni military, and even with the latest US and UK-manufactured munitions their pilots are woefully incapable and have committed numerous 'friendly fire' incidents as well as the truly staggering number of attacks on non-military targets.
The Yemeni military have been relying on TOCHKA-U TBMs for offensive attacks on Saudi installations - the forward training and operating base at Najran regularly comes under missile fire that KSA's Patriot batteries seem powerless to defend against, depleting the ranks of their mercenaries and lowering overall ability for KSA to train them. There were recently claims that Abu Dhabi had been struck with a missile attack, but the Yemeni military's claims were never corroborated.
IRAQ - The IA/ISOF are following a similar tempo as the SAA with their most current project being one of the last major ISIS-controlled regions in the country, Hawijah. At the moment military actions are limited to artillery strikes (and/or MLRS) and bombing runs, but a ground operation is awaiting commands to enter. Military operations into Anbar, a major ISIS stronghold have been taken off the table for the near future, likely due to US influence and desire to move ISIS out of the country for use elsewhere.
LEBANON - ISIS and the 'moderate jihadis' reporting to Al-Nusra Front have been crushed and driven from the country by Hezbullah amid a mess of dirty tricks.
When it became obvious that ISIS was unable to hold their ground, Lebanese intelligence made a deal with them - they would be allowed to leave the country and the SAA would organise for them (and their families) to be transported to the then-ISIS held area at Deir Eizzor in exchange for the release of several Lebanese soldiers captured at the beginning of the year. It's important to note that the SAA had nothing to do with striking the deal; Lebanese intelligence simply asked them to facilitate the transport of ISIS families.
It turned out that the soldiers in question were already dead. ISIS gave the location where their bodies were buried and popular opinion in Lebanon was outraged that such a bad deal was allowed to be agreed upon - the US (and a faction of the Lebanese government) attempted to shift the blame onto the SAA, and the 'green buses' transporting ISIS families were attacked by US bombers.
It also turns out that Lebanese intelligence knew the soldiers were dead, and the whole deal was a disguised operation to discredit the SAA and the Lebanese government.
UKRAINE - Some new developments here. After declaring that he'd completely lost faith in diplomacy with the US, Putin stated that he'd make a request to the UNSC to deploy a peacekeeping force to 'protect the OSCE observers' at the demarcation line between Ukraine and the breakaway Donetsk-Lughansk republics. Everyone knows that the coup-imposed Ukraine authorities have failed to withdraw artillery from the line (as stipulated by the Minsk Accords) and keep inching tanks and infantry further and further into Donetsk. The goal is to create a lose/lose situation for the US, something that had been avoided when there was a possibility for a diplomatic resolution because the embarassment it would cause would likely cause diplomacy to break down.
If the US blocks the security council resolution, they appear intensely hypocritical as they were instrumental in pushing for the Minsk Accords (even though they only ever wanted them to apply to the rebels). If they don't, then it becomes the UN's responsibility to reign in the Kiev government and stop them from further violating the accords.
KOREAS - Given the media's current bent, a US first-strike against NK is beginning to look likely. NK has apparently accelerated it's nuclear program given the large number of recent missile tests and the recent underground test of a (purportedly) hydrogen-bomb, but there's no solid proof of the US' claims that they do, in fact, have a nuclear warhead design that can feasibly be mounted on an ICBM. It's important to understand that NK will under no circumstances fire the first shot - a first-generation nuclear ICBM is not a weapon that will effectively win a war against the US - it's only value is as a deterrent, and as an aside the NK's military doctrine does not allow for a pre-emptive first strike.
A US first-strike would sign the death warrant of thousands of people in South Korea (conventional NK artillery could vaporise most military sites in SK in a matter of hours and are immune to jamming and interception) which is likely why it hasn't happened already - various think tanks and intelligence groups are now floating the idea that North Korea could sell nuclear warheads to Iran, and historically the US has been willing to make immense sacrifices for Israeli interests.
The title of this thread comes from the indication that Russian diplomats and indeed Vladimir Putin himself have signalled that they no longer have any faith in diplomacy with the United States - this complete systemic failure didn't even happen during the cold war, so we're breaking entirely new ground.
Post last edited by aldra at 2017-09-06T07:10:49.721769+00:00
That antique arty has been plotted for decades. It would be neutralized as part of the first strike. -
2020-09-11 at 3:14 AM UTC
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2020-09-11 at 3:27 AM UTC
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2020-09-11 at 4:52 AM UTCWay to bump a 3 year old thread
Originally posted by Speedy Parker That antique arty has been plotted for decades. It would be neutralized as part of the first strike.
Not to any degree of accuracy or certainty. The units are moved by underground rail, and the US has failed abysmally to obtain useful intel assets inside of NK. Relying on aerial and satellite photography here is a recipe for disaster. -
2020-09-11 at 4:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Way to bump a 3 year old thread
Not to any degree of accuracy or certainty. The units are moved by underground rail, and the US has failed abysmally to obtain useful intel assets inside of NK. Relying on aerial and satellite photography here is a recipe for disaster.
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2020-09-11 at 4:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting Korea? I heard they were relying on it to kill lots of US troops so as to build a case for mass mobilisation.
the media's been building up NK as the big bad wolf for long enough that it wouldn't be necessary; there doesn't seem to be any sympathy for them in the west at large. I remember people actually getting mad and reporting me on facebook for posting that they were just ordinary people and posting videos of everyday life in NK -
2020-09-11 at 5:08 AM UTC
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2020-09-11 at 5:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
I'm aware they've moved several PALADIN units into the region but that's not going to help until the artillery actually starts firing.
Only what I saw when I was stationed there. I was in the U.S. field artillery as a 82C10. Yeah, I know it was almost 40 years ago. We knew where every piece was then. I saw the maps as I was a computer/recorder for my survey team in the HQ battery and worked closely with the fire control officer. We knew where 90% of it was at any given time without any satellites or GPS. The younger guys I speak to at the VA tell me even the job I had is now done via sattelite/GPS/computer shit. In 1968 during a battle between Arab and Israeli forces a US recon sattelite captured a photograph from 120 miles above the earth of an engagement between armored forces. In that photograph you can read the time on the watch on an Israeli tank commanders wrist. If we could do that in 68 and know where 90% of the DPRK's atry trained on Seoul and other key targets across the DMZ were in the early '80s, imagine what we now know. And they are still using pretty much the same technology that was outdated when I was stationed there.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-11 at 5:47 AM UTCDo you know how they were mapped out? ie. how they knew where the pieces were?
And yeah it's old WWII-era artillery, but WWII-era artillery has killed more men than any other weapon of war unless you want to go super-general like 'gun' or 'bomb' -
2020-09-11 at 8:15 AM UTC
