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Technologist: let's have a 'constructive conversation about systemic racism'

  1. mmQ Lisa Turtle
    I dont know it's almost like we as whites want to say "you blacks really ARE NOT equal to us. You ARE in fact, inferior. So KNOW YOUR ROLE." and then blacks literally act accordingly and DO THAT ROLE. Kinda like we sort of forced them into it. And this is why I'm dumb and am not able to articulate this well but I know what I mean.
  2. larrylegend8383 Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by mmQ Alright. I'll chime in. I just woke up and read this whole thread and most of it made me cringe, for reasons. Maybe they're personal reasons. I'm just addressing this first because whatever, just the fact that the thread was asking for honest discussion and within like 5 posts it was already devolved into faggotry and name calling. (I just did it too without even thinking about it)

    Now see. I sort of agree with TECH on some things but I also dont like how she goes about things, picking and choosing. I dont like how she said that shes not willing to have this discussion here on NiS, right off the bat, as though a discussion cant be had here. Obviously it can. You just can ignore the stupid posts, or even acknowledge them, and still have your discussion. That's weird to say you wont talk about an issue just because we're on this site.

    Tech, if you're going to say that, then dont randomly interject your thoughts later on in the very thread that you just said you wouldnt be involving yourself in. Silly goose!

    Anyway now that I got my initial thoughts about that out of the way I'll say what is just on the top of my mind regarding 'systemic racism' and what I think it means.

    Hopefully this gives some perspective , because I'm not well versed in this at all and basically I'm just saying what I feel like it means, to me, as a basic bitch.

    I dont even know if its supposed to include all the other non-white races or is the whole thing centered around african Americans?

    For one, jill the car or hiki are good example of blatant "racism" in that they just calls blacks 'subhumans' or basically say that they arent even real people. Like, what? I don't like that and that doesn't even make sense. Obviously they're people. That just sounds so fucking stupid to me lol. Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe blacks arent humans and I'm dumb for thinking they are.

    But anyway I think what I think is that we are where we are now with this whole issue because of the weird history of racism and slavery and all that. Like we all just happen now to be living in the era where blacks are finally not living as literal field slaves and even just shortly after we just realized they shouldn't have to drink out of different water fountains. We're just barely passed that. That's kind of fucked up.

    I have to pee.

    Yeah this is pretty obvious to most honest humans. It might also be the reason someone like Tech says she's not getting deep into a "discussion" with the obvious shit bricks of NiS. They're not honest about how we got here.

    But still a very insightful post with juuuust the right amount of forced quirkiness, Wren. Bravo.
  3. mmQ Lisa Turtle
    I'm black. I'm a black person. I just decided that.
  4. mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Yeah this is pretty obvious to most honest humans. It might also be the reason someone like Tech says she's not getting deep into a "discussion" with the obvious shit bricks of NiS. They're not honest about how we got here.

    But still a very insightful post with juuuust the right amount of forced quirkiness, Wren. Bravo.

    Thanks. Dont patronize me.
  5. the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Fonaplats Someone post a cock pic.

    Let's have a constructive conversation about that fucking cock nose
  6. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by mmQ I'm black. I'm a black person. I just decided that.

    Nice try, but you won't qualify for any more social programs just by self-identifying as black.
  7. mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Originally posted by Greek Style Nice try, but you won't qualify for any more social programs just by self-identifying as black.

    That's not why I decided I'm black anyway. I dont want to be on any social programs. Get them away from me.
  8. Technologist victim of incest
    Originally posted by Greek Style They can't go to jedi neighbourhoods either - Shomrim will literally beat them up - google Mayer Herskovic.

    And the rich whites keep blacks out with unaffordable property prices, HOA fees, and lack of public transport.

    And when they go to the poor white areas, the whites all sell up and move.

    So it's a shit deal for them.

    But guess what? NOT WHITE PEOPLE'S FAULT.

    So slave owners didn’t treat blacks like 2nd class citizens? This ideology has systemically kept black folks oppressed.
  9. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by mmQ That's not why I decided I'm black anyway. I dont want to be on any social programs. Get them away from me.

    You expect people not to know you're a white goy American with an attitude like that?
  10. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by Technologist So slave owners didn’t treat blacks like 2nd class citizens? This ideology has systemically kept black folks oppressed.

    you know what's real funny?

    look up the founding of Liberia, I don't want to spoil the surprise
  11. Technologist victim of incest
    Again, I’m of the belief that God would not create a race of people for white people to shit on.
  12. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by aldra you know what's real funny?

    look up the founding of Liberia, I don't want to spoil the surprise

    I heard the anglo-blacks all got rounded up and shot by the african-blacks during the 90s.
  13. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by mmQ But yeah. So I get it. All the stats now show that blacks commit more crimes even though they're the minority and all that. That's common knowledge. So it does seem at a glance that the whole issue is 'dumb' because of that. The "if you want blacks to stop dying so much maybe start killing one another" thing. And it does make sense, right? It seems weird to take a movement seriously when the people of that very movement also seem to actively demonstrate behavior that goes against that very movement.

    That's the weird uh, tricky part to me, because that's where I think it's not as simple as that right? Like, yes, we can say that blacks just tend to shoot one another a lot more than other races do, and then we have to ask why right? And like aldra has already said and like most people here already know I feel like it's basically sort of ingrained in their whole culture and upbringing, obviously its "cool" to be a gangsta and all that, and blah blah. So to me, it's like they've brought it on themselves, but also, WE sort of MADE them bring it on to themselves.

    I have to pee again.

    Institutional racism in the housing sector can be seen as early as the 1930s with the Home Owners' Loan Corporation. Banks would determine a neighborhood's risk for loan default and redline neighborhoods that were at high risk of default. These neighborhoods tended to be African American neighborhoods, whereas white-middle-class Americans were able to receive housing loans. Over several decades, as white middle-class Americans left the city to move to nicer houses in the suburbs, predominantly African American neighborhoods were left to degrade. Retail stores also started moving to the suburbs to be closer to the customers. From the 1930s through the 1960s following the depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal FHA enabled the growth of the white middle class by providing loan guarantees to banks, which in turn, financed white homeownership and enabled white flight, and it did not make loans available to blacks. As minorities were not able to get financing and aid from banks, whites pulled ahead in equity gains. Moreover, many college students were then, in turn, financed with the equity in homeownership that was gained by having gotten the earlier government handout, which was not the same accorded to black and other minority families. The institutional racism of the FHA's 1943 model has been tempered after the recent recession by changes in the 1970s and most recently by President Obama's efforts to stabilize the housing losses of 2008 with his Fair Housing Finance (GSE) reform.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=NAcmSchlTOYC&pg=PA171

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/05/fact-sheet-better-bargain-middle-class-housing

    https://www.huduser.gov/portal/periodicals/em/fall12/highlight1.html

    These changes, which were brought on by government-funded programs and projects, have led to a significant change in inner-city markets. Black neighborhoods have been left with fewer food stores, but more liquor stores. The low-income neighborhoods are left with independently owned smaller grocery stores that tend to have higher prices. Poor consumers are left with the option of traveling to middle-income neighborhoods, or spending more for less.

    The racial segregation and disparities in wealth between European Americans and African-American people include legacies of historical policies. In the Social Security Act of 1935, agricultural workers, servants, most of whom were black, were excluded because key white southerners did not want governmental assistance to change the agrarian system. In the Wagner Act of 1935, "blacks were blocked by law from challenging the barriers to entry into the newly protected labor unions and securing the right to collective bargaining." In the National Housing Act of 1939, the property appraisal system tied property value and eligibility for government loans to race. The 1936 Underwriting Manual used by the Federal Housing Administration to guide residential mortgages gave 20% weight to a neighborhood's protection, for example, zoning ordinances, deed restrictions, high speed traffic arteries, from adverse influences, such as infiltration of inharmonious racial groups. Thus, white-majority neighborhoods received the government's highest property value ratings, and white people were eligible for government loans and aid. Between 1934 and 1962, less than 2 percent of government-subsidized housing went to non-white people.

    https://www.pbs.org/race/006_WhereRaceLives/006_00-home.htm

    https://lawcat.berkeley.edu/record/1120577/files/fulltext.pdf

    In 1968, the Fair Housing Act (FHA) was signed into law to eliminate the effects of state-sanctioned racial segregation. But it failed to change the status quo as the United States remained nearly segregated as in the 1960s. A newer discriminating lending practice was the subprime lending in the 1990s. Lenders targeted high-interest subprime loans to low-income and minority neighborhoods who might be eligible for fair-interest prime loans. Securitization, mortgage brokers and other non-deposit lenders, and legislative deregulation of the mortgage lending industry all played a role in promoting the subprime lending market.

    Numerous audit studies conducted in the 1980s in the United States found consistent evidence of discrimination against African Americans and Hispanics in metropolitan housing markets.

    https://doi.org/10.1177%2F0739456X9000900302

    The long-outlawed practice of redlining (in which banks choke off lending to minority communities) recently re-emerged as a concern for federal bank regulators in New York and Connecticut. A settlement with the Justice Dept and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was the largest in the history of both agencies, topping $33 million in restitution for the practice from New Jersey's largest savings bank. The bank had been accused of steering clear of minority neighborhoods and favoring white suburban borrowers in granting loans and mortgages, finding that of the approximately 1900 mortgages made in 2014 only 25 went to black applicants. The banks' executives denied bias, and the settlement came with adjustments to the banks business practices. This followed other successful efforts by the federal, state and city officials in 2014 to expand lending programs directed at minorities, and in some cases to force banks to pay penalties for patterns of redlining in Providence, R.I.; St. Louis, Mo.; Milwaukee, WI.; Buffalo and Rochester, N.Y. The Justice Dept also has more active redlining investigations underway, and officials have stated to reporters that "redlining is not a thing of the past". It has evolved into a more politically correct version, where bankers do not talk about denying loans to blacks openly. The justice department officials noted that some banks have quietly institutionalized bias in their operations. They have moved their operations out of minority communities entirely, while others have moved in to fill the void and compete for clients. Such management decisions are not the stated intent, it is left unspoken so that even the bank's other customers are unaware that it is occurring. The effect on minority communities can be profound as home ownership, a prime source of neighborhood stability and economic mobility can affect its vulnerability to blight and disrepair. In the 1960s and 1970s laws were passed banning the practice; its return is far less overt, and while the vast majority of banks operate legally, the practice appears to be more widespread as the investigation revealed a vast disparity in loans approved for blacks vs whites in similar situations.

    https://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/news/cfpb-doj-stepping-up-interest-in-redlining-cases

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/nyregion/hudson-city-bank-settlement.html

    Studies in major cities such as Los Angeles and Baltimore show that communities of color have lower levels of access to parks and green space. Parks are considered an environmental amenity and have social, economic, and health benefits. The public spaces allow for social interactions, increase the likelihood of daily exercise in the community and improve mental health. They can also reduce the urban heat island effect, provide wildlife habitat, control floods, and reduce certain air pollutants. Minority groups have less access to decision-making processes that determine the distribution of parks.

    http://lusk.usc.edu/sites/default/files/working_papers/Wolch.parks_.pdf

    https://doi.org/10.1080%2F00045600903102949

    https://doi.org/10.1111%2F0022-4537.00184
  14. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Technologist So slave owners didn’t treat blacks like 2nd class citizens? This ideology has systemically kept black folks oppressed.

    Even in the North of the US?

    Everywhere else on Earth?

    Then it's important blacks have their own country somewhere.
  15. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Technologist Again, I’m of the belief that God would not create a race of people for white people to shit on.

    Nut job.
  16. the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Technologist Again, I’m of the belief that God would not create a race of people for white people to shit on.

    What about da cock nose nonces
  17. rabbitweed African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Obbe

    You motherfucker. I thought you'd actually made that first post. Then I saw another second post, thought "hmm that was quick", then realized you were just copy pasting from fucking wikipedia.

    I felt bad for leaving you hanging, was going to leave it until morning since it needed a bit of research. But you're just a lazy, copy pasta motherfucker who downloads all your beliefs straight from La Wik.
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  18. Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by rabbitweed You motherfucker. I thought you'd actually made that first post. Then I saw another second post, thought "hmm that was quick", then realized you were just copy pasting from fucking wikipedia.

    I felt bad for leaving you hanging, was going to leave it until morning since it needed a bit of research. But you're just a lazy, copy pasta motherfucker who downloads all your beliefs straight from La Wik.

    Doesn't even use quotation marks.
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  19. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by Greek Style I heard the anglo-blacks all got rounded up and shot by the african-blacks during the 90s.


    That was part of the civil war yeah, but the reason why Liberia was founded in the first place was to give freed slaves somewhere to live where they wouldn't have to deal with white oppression anymore.

    Only they'd learned whitey's tricks over the years and enslaved 10x their own number from the local populations.

    Also Charles Taylor's (major Liberian warlord) son is/was a gangster rapper. I'm trying to find one of his tracks
  20. the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Classic obbe he got you dohohoho
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