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Technologist: let's have a 'constructive conversation about systemic racism'
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2020-07-23 at 10:53 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 11:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues 🥰 I have a lot to learn but I am educating myself continuously. This isn't something that is going to go away as it has in the past.
My company I work for is actively involved and this is something we discuss daily. I'm hopeful for change. It's time! Xo
I don't even know what in the fuck Daddy is doing having a conversation about this shit,, fuck she don't even live in the USA she lives in Indian territory now so its none of her affair -
2020-07-23 at 11:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Ex: someone tells a kids he’s stupid all his life. That kid will believe he’s stupid.
this only really works if you isolate the kid from outside experience, because he'll eventually be able to compare himself to others
or if he's actually stupid, I dunno
but in essence it's the same chicken and the egg thing as I was getting it; damage to 'black' areas snowballs as crime rises and investment dwindles. you or they can't simply change course to fix it because of all that inertia; it'd require a paradigm shiftThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-23 at 11:22 AM UTCAn unarmed white woman was killed by a black Minneapolis police officer in 2017. Were there any riots? Can't remember.
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2020-07-23 at 11:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Can’t say I remember, I don’t read wariats posts.
This has been proven in psychology for years. You pound into someone’s head that they are second class citizens, they will act like 2nd class citizens.
Abusive men use this tactic to make their wives “behave”. By calling her stupid and unable to make it on her own. The woman begins to believe it, so she feels helpless and stays.
That is the nature of abuse. Abusive societies use this technique too. For instance whites have essentially submitted, and no publicly longer question the nature of elite power. Most are fully submitted to being discriminated against, not being allowed to have their own culture, and eventually being "replaced".
But merely pointing out the nature of abuse, while emotive, doesn't make an argument.
And of course what goes unsaid is that you blame disenfranchised white people for this - Trump voters - not the people who run the banks, the media, the whole corporate technostructure. How do they run the entirety of society - and the world - so completely when they can't even have their own opinions heard without being shouted down, and can't even defend themselves without terrorised by angry woke mobs? -
2020-07-23 at 11:29 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 11:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by Greek Style That is the nature of abuse. Abusive societies use this technique too. For instance whites have essentially submitted, and no publicly longer question the nature of elite power. Most are fully submitted to being discriminated against, not being allowed to have their own culture, and eventually being "replaced".
But merely pointing out the nature of abuse, while emotive, doesn't make an argument.
And of course what goes unsaid is that you blame disenfranchised white people for this - Trump voters - not the people who run the banks, the media, the whole corporate technostructure. How do they run the entirety of society - and the world - so completely when they can't even have their own opinions heard without being shouted down, and can't even defend themselves without terrorised by angry woke mobs?
Waaaaa
J3ws rule the world.
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2020-07-23 at 11:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer
I actually think this one is the worst in recent memory, far worse than what happened to Floyd.
They didn't have probable cause or any reason to pay this guy a visit, they approached him to lock his guns away on the basis of 'red flag laws', ie. someone might've dobbed him in for arguing with his girlfriend or shitposting on the internet.
They served this 'red flag' warrant at 430AM when everyone in the house was asleep, kicked in the door then opened fire on the sleeping occupants.
Then there was the drunk officer who barged into his (black female) neighbour's apartment, thought it was his and shot her because she was breaking into 'his' apartment.
If someone calls the cops on you, or even if you call the cops, regardless of skin colour you're pretty likely to get shot. And your little dog too. -
2020-07-23 at 11:37 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 11:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Waaaaa
J3ws rule the world.
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Quite a conversation we are having.
@Aldra: BLM terrorism has been completely memoryholed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Originally posted by aldra lol, can you people seriously prattle on about 'white privilege' and the like but not acknowledge that a huge chunk of those powerful people you hate are disproportionately j'ewish?
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2020-07-23 at 11:38 AM UTCAlright. I'll chime in. I just woke up and read this whole thread and most of it made me cringe, for reasons. Maybe they're personal reasons. I'm just addressing this first because whatever, just the fact that the thread was asking for honest discussion and within like 5 posts it was already devolved into faggotry and name calling. (I just did it too without even thinking about it)
Now see. I sort of agree with TECH on some things but I also dont like how she goes about things, picking and choosing. I dont like how she said that shes not willing to have this discussion here on NiS, right off the bat, as though a discussion cant be had here. Obviously it can. You just can ignore the stupid posts, or even acknowledge them, and still have your discussion. That's weird to say you wont talk about an issue just because we're on this site.
Tech, if you're going to say that, then dont randomly interject your thoughts later on in the very thread that you just said you wouldnt be involving yourself in. Silly goose!
Anyway now that I got my initial thoughts about that out of the way I'll say what is just on the top of my mind regarding 'systemic racism' and what I think it means.
Hopefully this gives some perspective , because I'm not well versed in this at all and basically I'm just saying what I feel like it means, to me, as a basic bitch.
I dont even know if its supposed to include all the other non-white races or is the whole thing centered around african Americans?
For one, jill the car or hiki are good example of blatant "racism" in that they just calls blacks 'subhumans' or basically say that they arent even real people. Like, what? I don't like that and that doesn't even make sense. Obviously they're people. That just sounds so fucking stupid to me lol. Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe blacks arent humans and I'm dumb for thinking they are.
But anyway I think what I think is that we are where we are now with this whole issue because of the weird history of racism and slavery and all that. Like we all just happen now to be living in the era where blacks are finally not living as literal field slaves and even just shortly after we just realized they shouldn't have to drink out of different water fountains. We're just barely passed that. That's kind of fucked up.
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2020-07-23 at 11:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra this only really works if you isolate the kid from outside experience, because he'll eventually be able to compare himself to others
or if he's actually stupid, I dunno
but in essence it's the same chicken and the egg thing as I was getting it; damage to 'black' areas snowballs as crime rises and investment dwindles. you or they can't simply change course to fix it because of all that inertia; it'd require a paradigm shift
Well that’s the point. Black folks are isolated to the depressing ghetto. They are told they cannot go to white neighborhoods, or they’ll be shot, arrested, or killed by the cops. -
2020-07-23 at 11:51 AM UTCyeah, due to fear of the amount of violent crime they bring with them
and around we go -
2020-07-23 at 11:52 AM UTCMq,
We’re you never in a situation where you were shy about starting a conversation? Then the conversation starts and gets the ball rolling?
You all can judge me a hypocrite, IDC, but if I want to add my thoughts, I will.
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2020-07-23 at 11:53 AM UTCBut yeah. So I get it. All the stats now show that blacks commit more crimes even though they're the minority and all that. That's common knowledge. So it does seem at a glance that the whole issue is 'dumb' because of that. The "if you want blacks to stop dying so much maybe start killing one another" thing. And it does make sense, right? It seems weird to take a movement seriously when the people of that very movement also seem to actively demonstrate behavior that goes against that very movement.
That's the weird uh, tricky part to me, because that's where I think it's not as simple as that right? Like, yes, we can say that blacks just tend to shoot one another a lot more than other races do, and then we have to ask why right? And like aldra has already said and like most people here already know I feel like it's basically sort of ingrained in their whole culture and upbringing, obviously its "cool" to be a gangsta and all that, and blah blah. So to me, it's like they've brought it on themselves, but also, WE sort of MADE them bring it on to themselves.
I have to pee again.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-23 at 11:54 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 11:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Mq,
We’re you never in a situation where you were shy about starting a conversation? Then the conversation starts and gets the ball rolling?
You all can judge me a hypocrite, IDC, but if I want to add my thoughts, I will.
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Yes. In this instance, the conversation was already started and you just came in and said "I wont be having this discussion here." That was what was weird to me. -
2020-07-23 at 11:56 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 11:58 AM UTC
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2020-07-23 at 12:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Well that’s the point. Black folks are isolated to the depressing ghetto. They are told they cannot go to white neighborhoods, or they’ll be shot, arrested, or killed by the cops.
They can't go to jedi neighbourhoods either - Shomrim will literally beat them up - google Mayer Herskovic.
And the rich whites keep blacks out with unaffordable property prices, HOA fees, and lack of public transport.
And when they go to the poor white areas, the whites all sell up and move.
So it's a shit deal for them.
But guess what? NOT WHITE PEOPLE'S FAULT.
