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Technologist: let's have a 'constructive conversation about systemic racism'

  1. #1
    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    In another thread, Technologist said:

    White fragility is rampant on here. Not many here really want to have a constructive conversation about systemic racism, it makes them too uncomfortable. They act like it doesn’t exist.

    I'm game. Let's have this discussion. To start off with, could you please define what 'systemic racism' is and why you think it exists? We can use the USA as a case study (unless you'd prefer another country ?).

    One thing I ask is no linking to media stories. Hard facts and figures from governments are fine, links to studies are fine. But we'll get nowhere through "my editorial says this" "oh yeah, mine says this".

    Let's begin!
  2. #2
    Fonaplats victim of incest [daylong jump-start that nome]
    Someone post a cock pic.
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  3. #3
    stl1 Space Nigga
    Definition of Systemic Racism in Sociology
    Beyond Prejudice and Micro-Aggressions

    By Nicki Lisa Cole, Ph.D.

    Updated July 21, 2020



    Systemic racism is both a theoretical concept and a reality. As a theory, it is premised on the research-supported claim that the United States was founded as a racist society, that racism is thus embedded in all social institutions, structures, and social relations within our society. Rooted in a racist foundation, systemic racism today is composed of intersecting, overlapping, and codependent racist institutions, policies, practices, ideas, and behaviors that give an unjust amount of resources, rights, and power to white people while denying them to people of color.

    Definition of Systemic Racism
    Developed by sociologist Joe Feagin, systemic racism is a popular way of explaining, within the social sciences and humanities, the significance of race and racism both historically and in today's world. Feagin describes the concept and the realities attached to it in his well-researched and readable book, "Racist America: Roots, Current Realities, and Future Reparations." In it, Feagin uses historical evidence and demographic statistics to create a theory that asserts that the United States was founded in racism since the Constitution classified Black people as the property of white people. Feagin illustrates that the legal recognition of slavery based on race is a cornerstone of a racist social system in which resources and rights were and are unjustly given to white people and unjustly denied to people of color.

    The theory of systemic racism accounts for individual, institutional, and structural forms of racism. The development of this theory was influenced by other scholars of race, including Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Du Bois, Oliver Cox, Anna Julia Cooper, Kwame Ture, Frantz Fanon, and Patricia Hill Collins, among others.

    Feagin defines systemic racism in the introduction to "Racist America: Roots, Current Realities, and Future Reparations":

    "Systemic racism includes the complex array of antiblack practices, the unjustly gained political-economic power of whites, the continuing economic and other resource inequalities along racial lines, and the white racist ideologies and attitudes created to maintain and rationalize white privilege and power. Systemic here means that the core racist realities are manifested in each of society’s major parts [...] each major part of U.S. society—the economy, politics, education, religion, the family—reflects the fundamental reality of systemic racism."

    While Feagin developed the theory based on the history and reality of anti-Black racism in the U.S., it is usefully applied to understanding how racism functions generally, both within the U.S. and around the world.

    Elaborating on the definition quoted above, Feagin uses historical data in his book to illustrate that systemic racism is primarily composed of seven major elements, which we will review here.

    The Impoverishment of People of Color and Enrichment of White People
    Feagin explains that the undeserved impoverishment of people of color (POC), which is the basis of the undeserved enrichment of white people, is one of the core aspects of systemic racism. In the U.S. this includes the role that the enslavement of Black people played in creating an unjust wealth for white people, their businesses, and their families. It also includes the way white people exploited labor throughout the European colonies prior to the founding of the United States. These historical practices created a social system that had racist economic inequality built into its foundation and was followed through the years in numerous ways, like the practice of "redlining" that prevented POC from buying homes that would allow their family wealth to grow while protecting and stewarding the family wealth of white people. Undeserved impoverishment also results from POC being forced into unfavorable mortgage rates, being channeled by unequal opportunities for education into low-wage jobs, and being paid less than white people for doing the same jobs.

    There is no more telling proof of the undeserved impoverishment of POC and the undeserved enrichment of white people than the massive difference in the average wealth of white versus Black and Latino families.

    Vested Group Interests Among White People
    Within a racist society, white people enjoy many privileges denied to POC. Among these is the way that vested group interests among powerful white people and “ordinary whites” allow white people to benefit from their racial identity without even identifying it as such. This manifests in support among white people for white political candidates, and for laws and political and economic policies that work to reproduce a social system that is racist and has racist outcomes. For example, white people as a majority have historically opposed or eliminated diversity-increasing programs within education and jobs, and ethnic studies courses that better represent the racial history and reality of the U.S. In cases like these, white people in power and ordinary white people have suggested that programs like these are "hostile" or examples of "reverse racism." In fact, the way white people wield political power in the protection of their interests and at the expense of others, without ever claiming to do so, maintains and reproduces a racist society.

    Alienating Racist Relations Between White People and POC
    In the U.S., white people hold most positions of power. A look at the membership of Congress, the leadership of colleges and universities, and the top management of corporations makes this clear. In this context, in which white people hold political, economic, cultural, and social power, the racist views and assumptions that course through U.S. society shape the way those in power interact with POC. This leads to a serious and well-documented problem of routine discrimination in all areas of life, and the frequent dehumanization and marginalization of POC, including hate crimes, which serves to alienate them from society and hurt their overall life chances. Examples include discrimination against POC and preferential treatment of white students among university professors, more frequent and severe punishment of Black students in K-12 schools, and racist police practices, among many others.

    Ultimately, alienating racist relations makes it difficult for people of different races to recognize their commonalities, and to achieve solidarity in fighting broader patterns of inequality that affect the vast majority of people in society, regardless of their race.

    The Costs and Burdens of Racism Are Borne by POC
    In his book, Feagin points out with historical documentation that the costs and burdens of racism are disproportionately borne by people of color and by Black people especially. Having to bear these unjust costs and burdens is a core aspect of systemic racism. These include shorter life spans, limited income and wealth potential, impacted family structure as a result of mass incarceration of Black and Latino people, limited access to educational resources and political participation, state-sanctioned killing by police, and the psychological, emotional, and community tolls of living with less, and being seen as “less than." POC are also expected by white people to bear the burden of explaining, proving, and fixing racism, though it is, in fact, white people who are primarily responsible for perpetrating and perpetuating it.

    The Racial Power of White Elites
    While all white people and even many POC play a part in perpetuating systemic racism, it is important to recognize the powerful role played by white elites in maintaining this system. White elites, often unconsciously, work to perpetuate systemic racism via politics, law, educational institutions, the economy, and racist representations and the underrepresentation of people of color in mass media. This is also known as white supremacy. For this reason, it is important that the public hold white elites accountable for combatting racism and fostering equality. It is equally important that those who hold positions of power within society reflect the racial diversity of the U.S.

    The Power of Racist Ideas, Assumptions, and World Views
    Racist ideology—the collection of ideas, assumptions, and worldviews—is a key component of systemic racism and plays a key role in its reproduction. Racist ideology often asserts that white people are superior to people of color for biological or cultural reasons, and manifests in stereotypes, prejudices, and popular myths and beliefs. These typically include positive images of whiteness in contrast to negative images associated with people of color, such as civility versus brutishness, chaste and pure versus hyper-sexualized, and intelligent and driven versus stupid and lazy.

    Sociologists recognize that ideology informs our actions and interactions with others, so it follows that racist ideology fosters racism throughout all aspects of society. This happens regardless of whether the person acting in racist ways is aware of doing so.

    Resistance to Racism
    Finally, Feagin recognizes that resistance to racism is an important feature of systemic racism. Racism has never been passively accepted by those who suffer it, and so systemic racism is always accompanied by acts of resistance that might manifest as protest, political campaigns, legal battles, resisting white authority figures, and speaking back against racist stereotypes, beliefs, and language. The white backlash that typically follows resistance, like countering "Black Lives Matter" with "all lives matter" or "blue lives matter," does the work of limiting the effects of resistance and maintaining a racist system.

    Systemic Racism Is All Around Us and Within Us
    Feagin's theory and all of the research he and many other social scientists have conducted over 100 years illustrate that racism is in fact built into the foundation of U.S. society and that it has over time come to infuse all aspects of it. It is present in our laws, our politics, our economy; in our social institutions; and in how we think and act, whether consciously or subconsciously. It's all around us and inside of us, and for this reason, resistance to racism must also be everywhere if we are to combat it.
  4. #4
    Japan-Is-Eternal Space Nigga
    How about her systemic stupidity
  5. #5
    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    Originally posted by stl1

    Do you know what a 'conversation' is? Hint: it's not you copy pasta'ing other peoples studies with no point of your own.

    Make your point, in your own words (you know, like they taught us to do as children), then link to your study to support your point. You can even quote from it.
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  6. #6
    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Japan-Is-Eternal How about her systemic stupidity

    Let's be polite.
  7. #7
    Greek Style Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by rabbitweed Do you know what a 'conversation' is? Hint: it's not you copy pasta'ing other peoples studies with no point of your own.

    Make your point, in your own words (you know, like they taught us to do as children), then link to your study to support your point. You can even quote from it.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/our-new-religion-of-race/
    Racist hysteria is a religion now. Religions don't have conversations, they have sermons, dogma, and articles of faith. When those within a religion disagree odium theologicum and violent schizms are the result. The more irrational you are the greater your devotion - the less you want to know the stronger your faith.

    You worship books, you worship texts, words are all that matter. Not evidence.
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  8. #8
    filtration Tuskegee Airman
    systematic racism doesn't exist. It's just a fad for niggers to use as an excuse as to why they're fucking low-iq dindus.
  9. #9
    stl1 Space Nigga
    Originally posted by rabbitweed Do you know what a 'conversation' is? Hint: it's not you copy pasta'ing other peoples studies with no point of your own.

    Make your point, in your own words (you know, like they taught us to do as children), then link to your study to support your point. You can even quote from it.



    You wanted a conversation and I gave you many points of discussion that would form a foundation for your debate with Tech. You're welcome.

    Oh, before I forget...BITE ME, BITCH!
  10. #10
    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    Originally posted by stl1

    It's unable to make a single, basic point in its own words. All it can do is ad hominem and copy pasta. SAD.
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  11. #11
    larrylegend8383 Space Nigga
    Rabbitweed running for president of the sissy white club. Many people are saying he's running away with it in the polls.
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  12. #12
    Erekshun Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Rabbitweed running for president of the sissy white club. Many people are saying he's running away with it in the polls.

    Many people? How many live in your head?
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  13. #13
    larrylegend8383 Space Nigga
    Originally posted by Erekshun Many people? How many live in your head?

    Have you been begging Daddyissues for attention since she told your 60 year old drunk ass to fuck right off? Serious question.
  14. #14
    Erekshun Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Have you been begging Daddyissues for attention since she told your 60 year old drunk ass to fuck right off? Serious question.

    Nice dodge ya roid head. She never told me to fuck off, that was one of the "many people" in your head.
  15. #15
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organisation. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.
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  16. #16
    Article 153.
  17. #17
    Japan-Is-Eternal Space Nigga
    Originally posted by rabbitweed Let's be polite.

    One tit and half a brain
  18. #18
    Technologist motherfucker
    Rabbit,
    I appreciate your attempt at a constructive conversation with me, but NIS is not the place I want to have this conversation. Yes, I stated that people here don’t want that conversation, but you proved me wrong. I do appreciate your thoughts.

    This is a fringe site, not as bad as some others, but still full of outliers. I’ve never seen such blatant racism till I came to this site. Not in the mood for a gang bang.

  19. #19
    BeeReBuddy African Astronaut [pimp your due marabout]
    Originally posted by Technologist Rabbit,
    I appreciate your attempt at a constructive conversation with me, but NIS is not the place I want to have this conversation. Yes, I stated that people here don’t want that conversation, but you proved me wrong. I do appreciate your thoughts.

    This is a fringe site, not as bad as some others, but still full of outliers. I’ve never seen such blatant racism till I came to this site. Not in the mood for a gang bang.


    No one wants to gang bang you.
  20. #20
    Technologist motherfucker
    Originally posted by BeeReBuddy No one wants to gang bang you.

    Much appreciated👍🏻
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