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2017-03-31 at 11:58 AM UTC in Watercooling Setup PlansMan your computer stuff looks so cool.
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2017-03-31 at 10:54 AM UTC in my life fucking sucks
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2017-03-30 at 9:14 PM UTC in Suggest another forum to me
Originally posted by RisiR I'm open to all ideas.
Hahaha,
http://www.973-eht-namuh-973.com/forum/index.php -
2017-03-29 at 1:35 AM UTC in New Minecraft Server
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2017-03-29 at 1:35 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The conditions that produce the rainbow, are the rainbow. You could measure the same spread of colours with a camera or other methods. Your perception of those colours, are not the rainbow.
If this is true, wouldn't it make sense that the conditions which produce you, are you? Are the conditions that produced the appearance of you, are those conditions also you? -
2017-03-28 at 11:28 PM UTC in New Minecraft Server
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2017-03-28 at 9:33 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 9:33 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Captain Falcon If you believe in the existence of some objective physical reality (that the tree does fall, even if no one is around to see it or hear it), then you must necessarily believe. Maybe the qualia of "colour" in this rainbow does not exist, but the physical phenomenon that stimulates that qualia certainly does.
I wouldn't call the conditions which produce the optical illusion of a rainbow, a rainbow.
A rainbow is a rainbow. The conditions that produce the appearance of a rainbow are the conditions that produce the appearance of a rainbow. -
2017-03-28 at 9:23 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by mmQ Yeah who knows? That's not like that though. You're asking if it exists, not if it looks exactly the same to every single person. People seeing things differently doesn't make those things' existences subjective. In fact it really demonstrates the opposite.
Anyway I don't know what definition of 'exist' you're using.
The conditions which cause a rainbow objectively exist. They can be measured, tested, etc. But the rainbow itself is entirely subjective. Just like the way a noise sounds to you might sound differently to me. If nobody were there to hear it, the noise wouldn't sound like anything. A rainbow is an apparition. It is an optical illusion, caused by conditions that objectively exist, that appears subjectively to everyone who experiences it.
If there were no subject viewing the rainbow, it wouldn't exist. The conditions that cause it to appear would still exist. The world would still be here. But the appearance of a rainbow is dependent on a subject to perceive it. -
2017-03-28 at 9:08 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 9:03 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by mmQ That's like saying I only subjectively exist because sometimes people can't see me and sometimes people see me from different angles. Hrmph.
That's like saying there is an infinite quantity of rainbows that exist all around us all the time, but you can only see them when the conditions are just right. -
2017-03-28 at 9:01 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by Discount Whore Because you remind me of my sister.
In what way?
Originally posted by Discount Whore I'd wager that you'd claim nothing is objectively true and have only started this thread so that you could frustrate everybody for four pages.
If what I am saying is obviously bullshit, than why would it frustrate anyone? -
2017-03-28 at 8:56 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 8:51 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
Originally posted by mmQ Rainbows are NOT subjective. You can either see them or you're blind.
Think of your reflection in the mirror. Does your reflection EXIST? Sure does. Can you touch it, move it, smell it? No. Just like a rainbow. A non physical thing that still objectively exists otherwise we wouldn't have a name for it. Our reflections aren't real people and rainbows aren't real objects but they are both things that can be seen given the correct circumstances you will see them every single time. Objectively. :)
Colour isn't objective. A rainbow is a colourful arch that appears in the sky. If you and your girlfriend looked at a rainbow together from point A, it would appear to be different to each of you. Subjectively different. If you called your friend who lives at point B and asked him to describe the rainbow, it wouldn't even appear to be in the same location. What's objective about that? -
2017-03-28 at 7:36 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 7:26 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?I think I agree with you that from an objective view, everything is meaningless. But we don't really live in that world, we live in a subjective human world dealing with human problems and assigning human values and meaning to the world. Things like life, death, work, taxes, love, pain... are not meaningless to us, these things have real, objective consequences. And IME recognizing the interconnectedness of everything has real, objective benefits to human life.
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2017-03-28 at 6:26 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 6:24 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 1:41 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
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2017-03-28 at 12:03 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
