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2017-04-28 at 7:55 PM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 7:41 PM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Sure a "you" exists. And it has just as much of a basis a in reality as any other concept. The problem you have is that you are trying to find an essential definition of identity and pinning that as your standard for "real", and you have not really justified you have opted for that mode of thinking.
That pursuit is doomed to failure. As with all concepts, they constructs that only make sense within the context of a framework. As you just said. So I do not know why identity in particular is the topic where people insist on breaking down these frameworks and try to find a deeper, essential solution to the problem of identity. It's not like you try to find some complete definition of an electron. Turns out that that is just about as arbitrary as this.
If there really is a "you", I think it has to be the whole complete puzzle, not just a couple pieces. -
2017-04-28 at 7:39 PM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Lanny Well one qualitative difference between humans and modern computers would seem to be the presence of subjective experience. Like that's not just a lack of sophistication in computers, it's not like (or at least I don't see evidence of) digital computers have some minor internal experience and as programs become more complex this will progress towards human-level consciousness. Which is not to say I reject the idea that subjective experience could potentially be sustained on digital substrata, I'm just pointing out there's a fundamental quality of minds that is, at present, as far as I can tell, wholly absent in digital computers.
To be clear, by "subjective experience" I mean essentially qualia, or perhaps a more general category which includes qualia.
Do rocks and trees have subjective experiences? -
2017-04-28 at 6:31 PM UTC in Identity:facepal:
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2017-04-28 at 6:24 PM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 6:19 PM UTC in runescape ruined my lifeYou are what you do, brah.
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2017-04-28 at 6:07 PM UTC in IdentityAfter all this discussion I'm starting to conclude that "you" don't actually exist. The concept of an individual identity is like the concept of freewill - it's just a concept, it's just an idea, an idea that can be useful but might not have an actual basis in reality.
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2017-04-28 at 5:02 PM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 3:23 PM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 3:17 PM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Darth Beaver Insulting me by calling me old man convinced me and everyone else that your opinion is more right than my opinion on something nobody can know for sure while they are still breathing. We'll played sir. I bow to your superior tactics.
Your inability to create a real counter argument, and instead getting hung up over my calling you an old man, has convinced me and everyone else that your opinion is useless. -
2017-04-28 at 3:11 PM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Darth Beaver Any two year old can create a truly random outcome by simply flipping a coin or rolling a die 🎲
Flipping a die is not truly random. The outcome can be determined if all of the various variables are accounted for.
Why do you keep ignoring 90% of the post? Again, if you are truly capable of doing something that is truly random, then it's not something you had any control over. If you have control over something, it wasn't truly random. This is a pretty simple concept, old man.
Why do you identify with "energy" but not your body? Without your body, does your energy do anything? Is it conscious of anything? Is the energy you identify with the same energy that existed in the foods you've eaten? If so, why don't you control apples and potatoes? -
2017-04-28 at 3:04 PM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Darth Beaver A computer is incapable of generating a truly random result. Humans solved that before we moved out if caves.
If you are truly capable of creating a truly random event, then you don't control anything, if it's truly random. Therefore your "energy" doesn't control anything.
Why do you identify with "energy" but not your body? Without your body, does your energy do anything? Is it conscious of anything? Is the energy you identify with the same energy that existed in the foods you've eaten? If so, why don't you control apples and potatoes?
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2017-04-28 at 1:22 PM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 12:34 PM UTC in IdentityYou're not a machine but there are certainly metaphorical similarities there.
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2017-04-28 at 11:48 AM UTC in Identity
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2017-04-28 at 10:54 AM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Very!Berry way to make up a dillema that many people have already discussed thoroughly. you become the other person when the region that controls consciousness is overtaken by the other person's, by whatever circuit is responsible for this. our bodies recycle ALL of our cells every 7 years or so, so yeah you'd be the same person if you did this artificially. why do you have to be such a New Age "enlightened" dumbshit
That's kinda my thing, bro. -
2017-04-28 at 10:53 AM UTC in Identity
Originally posted by Darth Beaver Yes, what makes you you is not the parts but the energy that controls the parts.
What makes you think "energy" controls your parts? That's like thinking electricity controls the programs on your computer. That's not right.
The electricity or energy is required for the thing to work, sure, just like the physical components that are required, but the only thing in that "controls" it is the programing. Data. The information stored on it. -
2017-04-26 at 6:08 PM UTC in Cleveland nigger livestreams murder on FaceBook [raw footage]What did she do to make him snap?
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2017-04-25 at 10:53 AM UTC in teh retraded thred herppppp slober fuk glum editshin
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2017-04-25 at 1:02 AM UTC in New Minecraft Serverdid you ever check it out?
