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2017-04-28 at 3:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Darth Beaver Insulting me by calling me old man convinced me and everyone else that your opinion is more right than my opinion on something nobody can know for sure while they are still breathing. We'll played sir. I bow to your superior tactics.
Your inability to create a real counter argument, and instead getting hung up over my calling you an old man, has convinced me and everyone else that your opinion is useless. -
2017-04-28 at 3:21 PM UTCA human cannot account for all the variables "young man". Random...
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2017-04-28 at 3:23 PM UTC
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2017-04-28 at 3:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by Darth Beaver A human cannot account for all the variables "young man". Random…
What you're saying here disproves your previous statement:
Originally posted by Darth Beaver A computer is incapable of generating a truly random result. Humans solved that before we moved out if caves.
We have computers nowadays that generate "random" numbers with algorithms that use natural phenomena as a variable such as atmospheric noise, which for all intents and purposes can be regarded as "random" by your definition.
So we already have computers that can generate random results. Far more random than a toddler flipping a coin, anywayThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-04-28 at 4:21 PM UTCThe very concept of a machine does not exist without 100s of thousands of years of random human actions and interactions. The very fact that the random results of the machines can be calculated to be random automatically negates the randomness.
But chew on this. On earth machines need humans. Humans don't need machines.
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2017-04-28 at 4:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Darth Beaver The very concept of a machine does not exist without 100s of thousands of years of random human actions and interactions. The very fact that the random results of the machines can be calculated to be random automatically negates the randomness.
But chew on this. On earth machines need humans. Humans don't need machines.
Post last edited by Darth Beaver at 2017-04-28T16:24:07.566514+00:00
The concept of a human does not exist without 100s of millions of years of random mutations and chemical reactions.
We are organic machines that have been around longer than artificial machines and thus are more complex. All you're doing is proving my point further. Enough of the pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Make an actual argument please or just stop posting in the thread.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-04-28 at 4:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws The concept of a human does not exist without 100s of millions of years of random mutations and chemical reactions.
We are organic machines that have been around longer than artificial machines and thus are more complex. All you're doing is proving my point further. Enough of the pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Make an actual argument please or just stop posting in the thread.
Your point is an opinion based on personal observations that I don't share and you can't prove. I'm not arguing I'm sharing my opinion. If your silly enough to argue about opinions then by all means, carry on. -
2017-04-28 at 4:45 PM UTCI haven't stated a single opinion during this conversation. But whatever dude.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-04-28 at 5:02 PM UTC
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2017-04-28 at 5:04 PM UTCWhat are these 101 ass philosophy freds man :/
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2017-04-28 at 5:06 PM UTCMy bad I bumped this thread because I was stalking hydromorphone's posts to see if she ever showed tits
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2017-04-28 at 6:07 PM UTCAfter all this discussion I'm starting to conclude that "you" don't actually exist. The concept of an individual identity is like the concept of freewill - it's just a concept, it's just an idea, an idea that can be useful but might not have an actual basis in reality.
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2017-04-28 at 6:22 PM UTCI came to the conclusion that you do indeed exist and that you are also retarded.
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2017-04-28 at 6:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws I'll make it easier for you, just answer this. Other than being made of different stuff and having been around for longer, in what ways are we different from machines?
Well one qualitative difference between humans and modern computers would seem to be the presence of subjective experience. Like that's not just a lack of sophistication in computers, it's not like (or at least I don't see evidence of) digital computers have some minor internal experience and as programs become more complex this will progress towards human-level consciousness. Which is not to say I reject the idea that subjective experience could potentially be sustained on digital substrata, I'm just pointing out there's a fundamental quality of minds that is, at present, as far as I can tell, wholly absent in digital computers.
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2017-04-28 at 6:43 PM UTCi will never read your writing, it's so bad
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2017-04-28 at 6:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Well one qualitative difference between humans and modern computers would seem to be the presence of subjective experience. Like that's not just a lack of sophistication in computers, it's not like (or at least I don't see evidence of) digital computers have some minor internal experience and as programs become more complex this will progress towards human-level consciousness. Which is not to say I reject the idea that subjective experience could potentially be sustained on digital substrata, I'm just pointing out there's a fundamental quality of minds that is, at present, as far as I can tell, wholly absent in digital computers.
To be clear, by "subjective experience" I mean essentially qualia, or perhaps a more general category which includes qualia.
I believe that a machine capable of subjective experience and self-awareness is possible given enough processing power, we just haven't reached that level of technology yet. But I will concede your point as this hasn't been experimentally proven at this time.
