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2018-01-23 at 2:11 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
Originally posted by Captain Falcon My answer is of course: everything has proximal, intermediate and ultimate causes. Every event's proximal cause, or direct cause, can be said to be responsible for its successive event, by definition. Thus whatever constitutes your conception of "self" is responsible for whatever emerges from it. And when it is unconstrained by another agent, it is free.
Here you are basically agreeing with me. Everything that you think or do is caused by something you are unaware of and have no control over. Whatever you think of as your self is not really different than a ball rolling down a hill. It does only what it can do and nothing else. You want to call that free will, but when people feel that they are doing something out of their own free will, they don't mean they feel like a ball rolling down a hill. -
2018-01-23 at 12:55 AM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Get Rekt, Faggot!
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2018-01-23 at 12:54 AM UTC in I just wanna go on a date with a beautiful girl. :(
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2018-01-23 at 12:42 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while aliveThe popular conception of free will rests on a few assumptions. One assumption is that each of us could have behaved differently than we did in the past. Another is that we are the conscious source of most of our thoughts and actions. Both these assumptions are false.
Our wills are not our own making. Thoughts and intentions emerge from background causes which we are unaware of and over which we exert no control. Free will cannot be made conceptually coherent. Either our wills are determined by prior causes and we are not responsible for them or they are the product of chance and we are not responsible for them. -
2018-01-23 at 12:18 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
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2018-01-23 at 12:17 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
Originally posted by mmQ So you're basically saying determinism and predetermining are the same thing?
I'm saying in a deterministic, probabilistic or random universe, free will is not possible unless you change the definition to mean something that most people don't actually mean when they feel they are doing something out of their own free will. -
2018-01-23 at 12:15 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
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2018-01-22 at 11:45 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Get Rekt, Faggot!
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2018-01-22 at 11:26 PM UTC in I just wanna go on a date with a beautiful girl. :(
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2018-01-22 at 11:12 PM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
Originally posted by NARCassist well i think you're a complete twat.
but don't go on at me about it. i didn't create that thought.
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Of course your created it, you just didn't have the freedom to think anything but that. Just like you create the shit that comes out your ass but you don't decide what it's going to look like. -
2018-01-22 at 11:05 PM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
Originally posted by mmQ I don't think anyone is claiming that compatibalism defines free will to mean we can and do have complete freedom over the things that genetically take place outside of our control. As I understand it, free will as it relates to determinism is defined as freedom over actions and thoughts, limited to what one's genetics can and would ever be able to allow. It's a "limited" free will, or as self described, a determined free will in terms of its boundaries.
Obviously that's where opposing views come down to semantics and how one personally chooses to believe in the true definition of free will. I think it's fair to say that nobody thinks we have absolute free will, in that we can't make ourselves invisible if we willed it, or turn the moon into a big butt.
Free will no matter how you define it, has a boundary. The boundary is is determined by our unique and individual genetics and brain chemistry. A limited free will as I like to call it, and like I addressed, any practical definition of free will, regardless of whether you're a determinist or indeterminist, already has a fixed boundary that applies to every single person. The "outer boundary" so to speak.
Inner boundaries are the limit to which our own brains could ever allow us to achieve or act upon. One could actively try to take measures to prevent themselves from getting a heart disease, but those actions, one way or another, make up the involuntary process that ultimately determines the results.
That's all fine except that you don't have freedom over your thoughts or actions. At all. You might feel like you have more control over your next thought than you have over your blood pressure but you literally don't. Whatever your next thought is going to be is not something you chose, not something you picked out... thoughts simply arise in consciousness. Where is the freedom in that?
Some people might claim "Well it's still your thought," and sure it is but you didnt author it, you didnt choose it, your freewill was not involved in that thought any more than it is involved in any of the other various conscious or subconscious or unconscious processes your body performs. -
2018-01-22 at 7:28 PM UTC in Have you had a hard life?Not really, the majority of obstacles I've had to climb over were all in my head anyway.
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2018-01-22 at 7:26 PM UTC in I just wanna go on a date with a beautiful girl. :(
Originally posted by mmQ Indeed. I was just answering for myself.
As far as enter, I'd suppose that if he can't even get a date, he'd have an even harder time getting a good looking girl to suck his dick and allow him the opportunity to (try to) jam his pean down their throat repeatedly.
Not to mention any girl that would allow him to do that would do so because they take pleasure in being humiliated and degraded, making the whole thing futile.
If he wants to degrade women and finds a women who enjoys being degraded... Sounds kinda like a win-win. -
2018-01-22 at 7:23 PM UTC in I think I have Cancer in the ass
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2018-01-22 at 7:02 PM UTC in I just wanna go on a date with a beautiful girl. :(
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2018-01-22 at 6:41 PM UTC in I just wanna go on a date with a beautiful girl. :(Why don't you just treat them like this:
http://www.xvideos.com/video23681120/making_blonde_skye_avery_gag_on_white_dick_down_thraot#_tabComments -
2018-01-22 at 4:38 PM UTC in Eons ago...What did they look like?
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2018-01-22 at 12:59 PM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
Originally posted by mmQ Why do you say that?
If "freewill" is "your genetics responding to your environment" than developing a genetic heart disorder is an example of that so-called freewill.
The problem is the vast majority of people don't feel that getting a heart disorder is something they are doing or freely choosing, they feel like it is something that is happening to them and would correct it if they could. -
2018-01-22 at 2:55 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
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2018-01-22 at 2:19 AM UTC in Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
