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  1. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Typical example of the ADL's pro-jedi bias, associating pyramids with hate due to their long standing feud with the egyptians!
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  2. Lanny Bird of Courage
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  3. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Getting old is what makes you dumb. People point and laugh at people in college, oh what fools, being indoctrinated the be liberal cabal of professors they say while watching a youtube video that soothes their ego by reaffirming their suspicion that they're just as smart as people who are more educated than them. Another one to five decades of watching TV and youtube, being around peers from the same socioeconomic class, of your prejudices solidifying, stagnant in your head while you think you're getting "life experience".

    Being a "productive member of society", "taking care of your business", all this "real world"(lol) stuff which you're so proud of is the real indoctrination.
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  4. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Would you care to try and manipulate your narrative again? 3rd time lucky perhaps?

    LMRAO

    Not manipulating naything. You just seem to have trouble reading my post and not putting word in my mouth. If you want to show me where I said or implied what you're accusing me of then go right ahead. I'm waiting.

    Originally posted by Archer513 What? Lol.

    Youโ€™re probably trolling…

    No, not at all. Like what, did you think society's program of indoctrination stopped when you graduated? Can you really not think any ways in which society continues the process of indoctrination and socialization after the end of schooling?

    Who spends more of their time and energy in an environment with a rigid social script being told messages that the society wants them to hear, a student or the average working adult? The adult, obviously. The only thing I know a 30 years old has in this society that a 20 year old doesn't is 10 years more propaganda consumption.

    Originally posted by infinityshock you are literally mentally retarded and have no clue about anything

    the extent of your 'productivity' is making assorted alts on a shitsite and arguing with yourself over the stupidest shit

    More of a clue than you, you anal fixated autisic man child.
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  5. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Anal Turing If Descartes is fine with saying "I am just my thoughts", then there is no more problem left over. His statement is something like "I cannot doubt that I am doubting". Sure "you" can! Descartes's mistake, from which the problem of knowledge emerges, is simply that he stopped one step short: from a perspective of pure doubt, the only
    statement you can make is just "there is no doubt that there are doubts", or simply "there are thoughts". If you can just admit that, the problem of knowledge epistemically disappears into just making sure your sensory "thoughts" corroborate one another.

    It seems like the issue you're taking here is that you suppose Descartes is committed to a fairly specific conception of "self" or "I" or "himself" while I'm not so sure that he is. Like you take Descartes to be saying there's some kind of self with a wholly independent existence from thoughts and experiences, to which experiences are presented. And to be fair the way he talks about does lend itself to this reading.

    But I don't think his argument relies on it, and in light of this objection his position seems salvageable by simply saying the self is an emergent property of thoughts, there is no "double perception" or "experience of experience". The "I" which doubts is simply a consequence of doubt itself, indeed doubt is position with respect to belief, it doesn't really makes sense to talk about belief just exist, belief by nature of the concept has to be relative to some kind of thing which can hold beliefs. We don't need to posit any kind of essential identity to the doubter, we don't need to say the subject which doubts has this "receives perceptions" quality. The "I" is not presupposed, it's necessitated by doubt itself.

    The error is "you", and this creates a further error of splitting off external reality from your internal experiences. This is simply not necessary.

    Didn't you just say Descartes' method of doubt doesn't lead to solipsism? How do you reject a distinction between external reality and experience but deny solipsism? Are you arguing for a retreat into total skepticism?

    If the substrate is local and the content of the experience includes the feeling of being located at the substrate, what might differentiate a nonlocal experience from a local experience?

    I categorically reject local experiences, I don't think it makes sense to talk about them in a strict sense in the same way I don't think it makes sense to ask "where is mathematics?". As they are non-physical, and quite obviously lack many physical properties like mass, I think it doesn't make sense to assign physical coordinates or volume to experience.
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  6. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Anal Turing The idea is simply that the observer isn't some unitary "bottom level" that experiences are delivered to, rather it is a phenomenon that emerges from and supervenes on unconscious phenomena, of which experiences and thoughts are a few.

    OK, I'm not sure this is really an well agreed upon fact but I would seem to agree. I'm not sure how that leads to:

    "You" aren't "using" your thoughts, "you" are just the "narrative center of gravity" for your thoughts (as Dan Dennett puts it).

    Why am I not my thoughts? And if I really am not my my thoughts then I can still defend Descartes by saying "well the cogito isn't "me", it's my thoughts".

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    Descartes would be very bothered, because the idea he is battling is that his thoughts and experiences could be a misrepresentation being "presented" to "him". Descartes was an interactionist who believed that the soul interacted with the body through the pineal gland, and the body was just syntactical machinery for the mind to manipulate.


    Descartes is an interactionist but his interactionism doesn't really have anything to do with the cogito, he didn't suppose the mechanism of deception was the presentation of false experience to his soul directly or anything. He's not committed to his soul being him, at least for the purposes of meditations. If a contemporary had made this argument, and he was willing to entertain the thought-without-self idea (still not really clear to me) he could just say "look at that thought, even you agree that thought exists, that's the cogito".

    The whole problem of the evil demon hinges on a notion of an essential identity of experience. Simply accepting that the thoughts are what there are, leaves no problem: if an evil scientist is constructing these thoughts in a jar, there is no "essence" to pull out into the real world and give real thoughts to, any continuity between them would just be the persistence of a "ship of Theseus" blob of mental and physical states which are interrelated and form some kind of collective identity, none of which are at all essential.

    Descartes does seem to have believed in an "essential" soul, but again, I'm not seeing how it's critical to cogito ergo sum. If you subscribe to an error theory of personal identity or something you still seem to have very good evidence for at least one of some kind of (maybe) transient (maybe) non-essential thinking being, and that's all that's required here.

    If "you" are just constructed out of your experiences, then there is no reason to doubt the validity of your experiences to you.

    Descartes wasn't doubting the "validity of your experiences to you", he doubted that they represented some kind of external reality. He'd probably say all our experiences are "valid" to us in that we truly experience them.

    Imagine if the evil scientist pulls Descartes out of a vat and retains all his memories except he changes the memory of his name in the real world to "Rene Detrolley". Is Descartes or Detrolley having the experience of being lied to about being the other?

    Well so see above for why I don't think a rejection of personal identity or personal essentialism really poses a problem, but I think this thought experiment fails long before that because even very naive accounts of identity don't rely on names as our essential quality.

    The fact that your experience isn't happening at some central location in your head, it is distributed throughout your body, and actually felt and experienced in your limbs. The head fallacy is a very easy mistake to make because our eyes and ears are in there, and both are central to determining our position in the world.

    I'd argue experience doesn't really happen anywhere. Like sure, we have a sense of locality, like we experience touch as being local to some region of our model of the world, specifically the part we occupy (usually) and that's super interesting but I'd say you're wrong if you point to a limb and say "look there, an experience!", or if you pointed to a head and said the same thing. Asking "where is this experience happening" is a bit like asking "where is mathematics" or "where is Descartes' Meditations". I could point to a number of books or websites or brains that instantiate those things in some way, but it would be comical to pick up one and be like "look, here, this is mathematics. Mathematics weighs 1.2 lbs and is made mostly out of dead trees".

    Experience very likely relies (supervenes) on material substance which does have a location and volume and other physical properties but that doesn't mean experience itself is local.

    That road leads to what is known as the homunculus fallacy, i.e. it simply transposes the question of how you perceive things and weave these threads together, onto how the little observer in your head does it. They are the same question. Does he have a little observer in his head?

    There is no need to reach for such silliness because the premise is just pointless and flawed: to experience sight is to experience sight, you don't need to have the experience and then another experience of the experience. The experience is the experience.

    I see what you're saying here, and I'll back away from saying sensory integration counts as evidence of a subject, but I still don't think you have a positive argument for rejection the notion of a self here. So sure, experience is experience, it's not some kind of information that's fed into the subject and mystically integrated there. But I still say look, there's an experience, it's thinking, it's the cogito. Maybe there's some kind of relation between some sequences of experiences that gives rise to an essential self across time or maybe there's not, doesn't matter, there's still something that's thinking, that's thinking about itself, and which is asking "can I doubt my own existence?" and concluding, correctly, "no, I can't".
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  7. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Bill Krozby I've never been to college and I'm doing just as well if not better than some of them because they are shit asses!

    I've never been a republican and I'm doing just fine as well if not better than some of them because they are shit asses!

    Wow, republicans BTFO!
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  8. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2.0 - The GMO Reckoning First show me the conservative who runs on a platform of giving subsidies to all his donors.

    You don't typically make distasteful parts of your agenda your platform.

    This is dishonest manipulation of language by you, and to be honest I expect a better class of dishonesty.

    I think you've just totally lost sight of my argument here. The question was "why do 'fringe' cultures lean liberal?", i.e. why do people in those cultures politically align with liberal political parties. And I explained it to you, because those are the parties that seek to include them as first class citizens. Maybe the DNC is actually the fucking vampire party and behind all the slogans they're just trying to find tasty childrens to exsanguinate. Doesn't matter, the point is their platform, in the terms its presented, is still naturally representative of that voter base.

    If you think the democratic party is secretly out to destroy "white christian family oriented culture" or whatever then fine, believe that, but that's not the platform they run on and that's not why Hispanics and gays and blacks and a thousand other subcultures large and small existing on the margins of society vote democrat.

    Your example is even a great demonstration of this. Middle America doesn't vote red because they love corporate subsidy, even though that's certainly something the GOP does. They vote based on those policy points which are part of public discourse and which align with their perceived interests.

    I don't understand. I think you're just unbearable eurocentric and chauvinist.

    "Violence against criminals is only legal if it's done by some guy with an ermine cloak".

    See https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/lynch

    (of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging.

    In the US you're entitled to trial through the legal system. That's the law. To kill someone without a trial is illegal, and that's what the word "lynch" means. Like do you fail to understand how rule of law works or what?
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  9. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2.0 - The GMO Reckoning Lots of people want to undermine and destroy the family oriented, white christian culture.

    Show me the politically significant liberals run on a platform of "undermining and destroying family oriented white christian culture"

    Yes, that was generally accepted knowledge, before the media started amplifying stupid evidenceless "they didn't do nuffin" arguments to advance reconstruction after the civil war.

    Well then presumably you have evidence, if you're disparaging the standard narrative of lynching being a case of unjustified mob violence as evidenceless.

    That sounds like a lot of work - I could do so, but are you going to pay me for doing so?

    No lol, I'm not going to pay you to support the claims that you made. Like you're going to refuse to defend you own position if I don't pay you to do so? THAT'S how you're trying to get out of this?

    What legal system? That's like saying that trial by combat precludes it from being part of the legal system. Just because there's no leather bound books, powdered wigs, or massive salaries involved doesn't mean that a procedure isn't part of the general administration of laws and/or justice.

    No, trial by combat can be part of a legal system and has been. The meaning of the term "lynching" is that it happens outside of the legal system. What you're doing is the same as arguing that "sometimes murder is legal". It's literally just not what the word means.
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  10. Lanny Bird of Courage
    I want to play you emogaze and old shitty jazz records and my garbage favorite albums from highschool and get embarrassed remembering how fucking much two door cinema club I listened to back then but feel happy I got to share that side of myself with you.
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  11. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by HTS I wish I could admit to liking this, but I am an exceptionally damaged human being and I don't listen to music anymore because liking things opens me up to people criticizing my taste. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

    Aww, lucy loo, I want to set up an old stereo system in my living room and sit on the floor with you and listen to records together and listen to your shy, reluctant critiques of each album and try to find something you fall in love with, while I'm busy falling in love with you.
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  12. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Jackrabbitfyi I'm not a guy. Lol lol

    You're still my guy, my girly guy.

    Fuck society… Sorry I hate when I conform. It's rare I do but as in your comment here, when it comes to certain types of social situations you conform, you can't communicate otherwise.

    Its not like I walk around my area talking to people in acronym though. The only this is say out loud is "PS btw"… Lol

    It's true, our language is naturally a system of conformity. Submission to the twin tyrannies of the grammar and lexicon is what enables us to communicate at all. But it's exactly for that reason that "kek" is a valid piece of language: we understand it and conform in that we mutually recognize its meaning. Even if you think it's a stupid phrase (hey, I think a huge amount of our language is stupid too) we still read it and comprehend the writer's intention in some rough and ready way.

    Also "PS" is a great example of abbreviation which, I believe, was a construct of the telegraph era of communications which has entered our spoken language almost exclusively as an acronym. No everyone uses the term "PS" in speech, although it's not uncommon, but no one says "post script: such and such" we say "PS: such and such". An excellent example of how technology has shaped out spoken language for nearly 100 years, although I imagine we can find such examples for as long as the written word has survived. Saying "e.g." like "ee gee" is an example in English that presumably had near 2000 years of precedence.
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  13. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Just saw these guys play in SF but they're from Austin haven't been out here in years, was an amazing set. If you live in Austin you should definitely check them out. They usually play small venues, cover was $5 when I saw them, so you have no excuse not to. Check it out:

    embedded bandcamp link
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  14. Lanny Bird of Courage
    I tried embracing my grief but then it started touching me inappropriately and I told it to stop and left promptly.
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  15. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny lanny likes looking at dicks.

    I love observing the magnificence of an erect penis. A tower triumphant against the vaginizing forces of the world. Only a real beta would recoil at the supreme symbol of masculinity. Fuck off you feminized little bitch. I take in the beauty and power of the phallus, you cower under the weight of it's force, because you are submissive and weak. Yes, look away you emasculated thing from the sight of a MAN. Pussy bitch.
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  16. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Bill Krozby well the difference between me and you is i don't live with my mother

    Neither of use seem to live with our respective mothers (although I do visit yours on lonely nights), but the real difference is I can actually afford to live on my own whereas your parents actually have to subsidize your lifestyle. Let that sink in, that money you collect from them every moth, that's literally them paying you not to be around them and live in their house. My mom is like "hey Lanny, why don't you move back in?" and I'm like "Thanks ma, but I've got to do my own thing right now" while your own mother is like "fuck Bill Krozby, take my money, just don't get any ideas about living her".

    Literally even your own mother doesn't love you, that's how much of a failure you are.
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  17. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Ahh, the classic shuck n jive #89
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  18. Lanny Bird of Courage
    more like mega one man inserting his penis into another man's anus and thrusting for several minutes while they fondle each other's balls and whisper to each other about how good their sex act feels until ejaculation is achieved millions
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  19. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Will not buy it unless reviews are impeccable months after release. ESO was garbage, online games in general are not my scene, Bethesda should just give up and relegate themselves to being a studio that publishes better studio's games at this point. And this is coming from someone who considers Morrowind one of the greatest games of all time and Beth games up to and including new vegas singularly excellent (yes, even Oblivion, given what it was in its era).

    I have zero faith in beth to pull off an MMO. I just want to see them publish DOOM2 (DOOM2,2?) and fuck off with their shitty decade old gaybro engine which I loved so much as a child but which has died under a mountain of shitbugs and mid tier graphics.
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  20. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Also much of the best art comes from depressed depressed artists, our unique appreciation of art has driven us to adopt mourning traditions that maximize emotional scarring as to produce ever greater works of insight and beauty
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