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2016-11-21 at 6:45 AM UTC in Sophie's top psychopathic narcicist insight of the day.
Originally posted by Bill Krozby my cat actually likes my semen i have to shew him away constantly!
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2016-11-20 at 8:40 AM UTC in MathematicsAntinatalism, I thanked your post because as far as I can tell it was an authentic, cogent response, not necessarily because I agree with it, but I'm glad my hodunk ramblings on the philosophy of mathematics aren't cast out into the void absent an audience.
Originally posted by antinatalism I guess that the three mathematicians you were talking about are godel, emil post and turing
Replace Post with Church and yee. Honestly I don't know much about Post other than I've heard his name in relation to the history of computability theory.the finishing blow to platonism: the fact that there are undecidable statements within a system implies that there's not such a thing as a perfect bijective function between the mind and the so called perfect platonic realm.
That's an interesting falsification condition for platonism. I'm certainly no platonist but there are complete and consistent formal systems. They may not contain arithmetic, but we could imagine the really hardcore platonist being like "well yeah but fuck arithmetic, here's a mathematics that can't express godel's theorem and BAM!". It would be a poor sort of mathematics, as least from the perspective of a public that expects what we're taught math is in grade school to work, but then it's a poor field that relies on public expectation for its legitimacy.However I find your critics of the analogy with the "do not disturb" phone feature kinda fallacious. The designers of a phone will know (virtually) every property of the phone they're developing, so there will be nothing to discover. But mathematics is on a whole different level of complexity. When cantor single-handedly created set theory he could have not predicted that the continuum hypothesis is undecidable, so this is something that has been "discovered" by paul cohen, but of course it was already a sort of "built-in feature" of axiomatic space they were working on. I dunno, man, it's fucked up and I'm getting confused, but I'd go as far as to say that the very fact that when you invent a system you cannot virtually know every property means that then everything else from that point forth is discovered.
I don't know, what's your experience with the development of commercial software? Nothing in 2016 is proved, almost every commercial software product is shipped with known (although generally minor) bugs, and the expectation that some slipped through the QA process. What are the status of such behaviors? Discovered or invented? They are the inevitable conclusion of the instructions the constitute software although we certainly don't know about them when we're creating same.
Ultimately the substrate from which such behaviors emerge are manifested constructs of the mind. There may be some isomorphism between the contents of our mind, and the language rules are expressed in, and the actual behavior out in the world that we see but we need not speculate some kind of idealized thing which each instance embodies. We can say that we, in a sense, "discover" unexpected properties of systems but ultimately if such behaviors are implied by the systems that house them then I'd argue they share the status as invented or natural that their superior system holds.About isomorphism between math and the real world, those are discovered too and since I think that the so called "pure mathematics" is an hoax and doesn't exist (fuck that faggot of harold hardy), I infer that every mathematical model will eventually be linked to something in the real world (that doesn't necessarily imply the opposite): for instance, category theory, which is known as the most abstract field of math, has been proved useful in many real-world fields (computational linguistics, sorting algorithms, AI and so on): ah, with real-world applications I talk about things that are discovered (such as new physics shit) and things that are invented (such as computer science stuff, artificial intelligence, automata theory). So math could be invented and sometimes only used for other things that have been invented and not discovered. Sounds very autistic.
I'm a little lost on what you're trying to get at here. It does seem like we can come up with formal systems with only trivial relations to the physical world. Consider the toy example of Hofstadter's MU puzzle. It's useful only, in so far as I can tell, as a didactic device. Sure you can say "well that's an isomorph to an educational process" but that seems to render the notion of a "pure" system as, uhh, trivially impossible because at very least you can say any system presented as evidence of pure mathematics serves as a model supporting the notion of a world in which pure systems exist but this trivializes the point to start with.Yeah I think we could define the mind as a mathematical object and eventually we will in a much more rigorous way. But we do now by now is that the mind is not a turing machine because we do not crash by bumping into the halting problem when we reason around undecidable statements (at least we can prove that they undecidable, a computer cannot)
I won't particularly defend the proposition that "the mind is a turing machine" but the fact that we don't implode when faced with a undecidable problem is not conclusive evidence of that fact. Not every turing machine is universal, many turing machines provably halt in a finite number of steps. The halting problem deals with a more general class of machine that is necessarily needed to support human consciousness. Consider the question "can a given turing machine halt with a decision in less than finite N operations?", this is a trivially easy machine to construct and such "timeouts" would seem sufficient to handle the human process of dealing with undecidable problems, at least at an extremely high level.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-21 at 6:44 AM UTC in The retarded thread: Fuck, §m£ÂgØL made one first editionhey, we actually see the same post numbers now. Yay!The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-21 at 7:21 AM UTC in Mark cuckerberg is at it againYou really are an idiot Bill KrozbyThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-21 at 7:13 AM UTC in Mark cuckerberg is at it againWho gives a fuck about ShillBook's revenue claims. It's a freak wave and ad revenue only hold up the house of cards for so long. Lip service about non-arbitration is just that, if facebook wants to go for orwell and tell us what's true and what isn't that's fine because it's a hugbox by design anyway.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-21 at 6:16 AM UTC in Hey guys, what's your favorite truck?I love trucks. Who wants to come over to my place to do some trucks with me?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-21 at 2:18 AM UTC in So at least 100 years ago on Redfern...Well so "infosec people" can describe at least two distinct classes of professional technologist. There are "security researchers" and there's "security contractors" and they may sound like the same thing but they're actually very different. Researchers are the guys who produce CVE tickets, they have their fair share of dumshits, cringe lords, and mediocre joes just trying to collect a paycheck but in general they serve a pretty important role and there's some real talent there. Then there's security contractors that are hired goons whose occupation consists of equal parts fear mongering and beating real programmers over the head with automated extremely primitive "security reports". The latter group is a parasite upon the former who are themselves kind of the jedis of the developmental world: we know they're smart and they need to exist, ultimately they're a good thing but they really are a pain in the ass sometimes.
When you hear IT people or developers bitching about security folks they're generally of the contractor variety.
But I mean security breaches are pretty common, so what is it that makes other people continuously dismissive of some elements in the security community? The answer, at least as I see it, is twofold. The simpler answer is development is hard and most programmers are fucking retarded. Like cargo cult sorry sons of bitches who, if they were carpenters instead of programmers, would be able to hammer nails sorta ok and nothing else who have been carried through their careers because people felt sorry for them. They have a hard time composing systems they haven't seen a hundred times before and any thought towards adversarial usage just isn't there, just a handful of dogmas (null checking in java-land is a great example of this, although not a security issue per se, it demonstrates the ability of people to cobble together software with no actual insight into the process, leaning instead on received wisdom). Sad but true.
But of course that isn't everyone, legitimately smart people will ignore security issues too although usually at a much lower rate. Why does that happen? I mean it's easy to explain "I didn't see this" because systems are complex but when someone turns up at your desk with an issue and you're like "nahhh" isn't that just negligence? On a level yes, but when prod is fucked and an RCA lands at your feet that's a shitty place to be, no one would sign up for that out of laziness. The answer is that the rate of false positives in security analysis (usually automated security analysis, and a similar issue exists with automated analysis in general) is so high as to make it basically meaningless, or at least in most cases I've seen. Donald Norman has done a fair amount of research on this but it's really just lost on sec folks because "lol we're not designers", but it's kind of obvious, when the majority of "security issues" you're confronted with are nothing but fear mongering it's hard to take them seriously.
An anecdote: a dude shows up at my desk the other day. "There's an XSS vulnerability in your project", we look at it, we take a number and render it into the markup without escaping it because of special circumstances. Ok, I understand, automated checker sees there's an unsanitized field getting sent to the user. But it's a number, the type system guarantees us in a formally provable way it's a number, it can render as a string of exactly 10 characters none of which can constitute an escape code or really do anything. "But what if your DB returns something that isn't a number?" Well ok, so let's say the DB randomly stops doing like the one thing it's supposed to do which is maintain relational integrity. Let's say it magically does that for some reason. Then the cast fails, we 500 out, and production support deals with the magical database. "What if it doesn't though?" Fucking what if in an act of divine intervention RNJesus decides every UUID we generate is going to be exactly the same for the next 3 years? Well we're fucked 12 ways to sunday, the world economy is going to collapse and we'll probably all die in a tidal wave but it's not my job to deal with impossible hypotheticals. This shit show went through like 5 levels of managers, all but one of whom couldn't write hello world and the decision comes back I'm wrong so we eat shit and stack another half second of load time onto requests because some dipshit's audit tool needs to be appeased.
Meanwhile I pointed out a timing attack and some architect is all like "nahh, no way anyone's going to figure out that exists" so in a few months a major american financial institution is going to have a product with a known (to three grunt programmers and a lead) timing attack in it and we're all just hoping really hard no one sees that shit. Try escalating it you say? Yeah well that's hard to do when no one who can do anything knows what the fuck time to first byte means, much less what a timing attack is.
IN SHORT technology is fucked and if we're lucky we'll all die from a natural disaster before AI comes about and decides to go all "I have no mouth and I must scream" on us because some dumbshit did something stupid and there's just enough stupidity around him to propagate his fuckup far enough to fuck us all.
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2016-11-21 at 2:33 AM UTC in i wana die
Originally posted by reject Stop referencing Doncaster, none of us are crazy enough to willingly go to that town
The guy who binges on benzos and ends up walking down a freeway at night in the middle of winter without knowing how he got there (that was you right?) is afraid to go to Doncaster?
Damn, I kinda want to see this town now.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-20 at 11:08 PM UTC in ATTN: Antinatalism
Originally posted by reject Ohhhh that makes sense, I didn't recall talking to someone called Phoenix, it would have been awkward if I just completely forgot about you. I went on TC once and one time only on cam and you were there. Why did MSN have to close
Mostly because
Originally posted by Sophie I remember camming with my 12yo gf on MSN. Good times.
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2016-11-20 at 11:04 PM UTC in Hey Lan your antiCSRF middleware token crap is cramping my proxy posting style.Could you send me the network log? Something like this:
Fiddler or FF's network log would be fine too.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-20 at 9:38 PM UTC in Hey Lan your antiCSRF middleware token crap is cramping my proxy posting style.That's interesting. Is this reliably reproducible? Every time you switch proxies with a live session? What was the response code?
The CSRF middleware operates on cookies as well so I wouldn't expect that if you kept your session, it might be possible I bounced the server between you loading the page and clicking thanks (I deploy code and SIGHUP uwsgi a couple times a day) so that might do it, but if you can see this consistently then it would be something different.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-20 at 8:42 AM UTC in I need real human interaction or im gonna fucking lose iteat a dick Bill Krozby, your daughter is going to get raped by a series of your slutty ex's pedo-boyfriends and it's all because you're the world's shittiest father.
GratzThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-19 at 8:16 AM UTC in Note how women like horror movies more than guys.Yeah, Bill Krozby, you calling someone dumb is basically a complement
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2016-11-20 at 3:47 AM UTC in Lan, can i pretty please has code tags?Bam!
I didn't write the BBC parser so there's some wonkiness like this.
Then there's wonkiness in the shit I did write too, so I guess it's a wash.
IN ANY CASE this should hopefully be better.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-19 at 8:38 PM UTC in Note how women like horror movies more than guys.
Originally posted by Enter Lanny doesn't think that women like dominance. That's a severe lack of social awareness in my book.
Jesus fuck dude, you're so caught up in your little angsty worldview over there you can't seem to grasp what I've told you in like three separate posts now. You don't even know what "women like dominance" means, it's just empty words that you use as some kind of sick shibboleth to determine if someone's "redpilled".
Like what's the falsification condition for "women like dominance", what about our world is signified by this statement, then ask "what reason do I have to believe this is the actual state of the world". I'm not trying to tell you something about women here, I'm trying to tell you something about the meaning of the words you're saying but you're too dense and tribalistic to understand the difference.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-19 at 7:12 AM UTC in Note how women like horror movies more than guys.Fuck you guys, you're the ones who missed the mechanics of the joke, not me.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-18 at 11:45 PM UTC in goddamn school is stressing me tfoYo, OP, weren't you the one who made a thread about how you're so smart and don't have to work in class and stuff?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-19 at 12:02 AM UTC in Recommend me a couple of InfoSec/CompSci/Programming books.
Originally posted by SCronaldo_J_Trump
Lol, I don't know why but I have a special fucking hatred for Dvorak. I subscribed to his cnet blog because someone told me to when I was but a whee nooblet and man, that dude just spews the most obvious bullshit or meaningless industry gossip without end.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-11-19 at 12:21 AM UTC in Happy funtimes threadDid you edit your post asking for it to be deleted without taking out the incriminating content or did you actually ask for a post to be deleted and then clicked submit?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2016-11-17 at 6:28 AM UTC in Who's the biggest cuck on TC?
Originally posted by Bill Krozby I hope you're not lying. You should have taken screen names and screen names so I can call them out on their faggotry. I'm going to guess it was tort and bradley b.. but you never know…
But sometimes we all yank out our dicks when "bagel" (a very homely faced big titted big assed aussie bitch) and she shows ass and we have a virtual gang bang.. i guess its better than nothing at all when you live in digital…
Bro, you post pictures of your own erect penis on a shitposting forum without a single biological female posting on it. You've lost your right to call things faggotry.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
