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Anybody here work as a machinist?
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2019-10-24 at 2:15 AM UTCSaw another guy, standing right beside me, cut off three of his fingers. He had been warned numerous times to always use the machine guard, but he never did. I watched the whole thing. He was cutting a piece and accidentally put his hand into the path of the blade and the fingers just plopped right down onto the cutting surface as neat as you please. The guy just stood there for a full 15 seconds, frozen like a statue, just looking down at his own fingers laying there, then he just keeled right over in a slump and fainted. Always use prescribed safety guards.
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2019-10-24 at 2:21 AM UTCmachinery is never forgiving. we all do stupid things and get lucky like forgot to remove our wedding rings, necklace, whatever. but some idiots literally just ask to be hurt :(
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2019-10-24 at 3:21 AM UTCSo I guess should I start by taking a class?
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2019-10-24 at 4:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi So I guess should I start by taking a class?
I'm not sure what country iam_asiam68 is from but you don't need 8000 hours on a lathe/mill/grinder to become a journeyman in Canada or the USA. (24000hrs?!?!! lol)
I've never heard of a CNC programmer or operator that doesn't have experience as a manual machinist.
Schooling here is optional, and you're able to challenge the exam after 4000hrs or 6000hrs of relevant experience to become a journeyman. (can't remember)
if you're genuinly interested than how you proceed needs to be a judgement call on your end.
have you networked/made a reputation proper enough to work in a jobbing shop with 0 experience? if not id recommend heading to a tech school, instead of challenging the exam. unless you can find a job that is.
good manual machinists shouldn't have a hard time finding a job if they're willing to move. but for excellent job security, CNC and/or tool and die are a must. -
2019-10-24 at 4:26 AM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 9:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by bigthink I'm not sure what country iam_asiam68 is from but you don't need 8000 hours on a lathe/mill/grinder to become a journeyman in Canada or the USA. (24000hrs?!?!! lol)
I've never heard of a CNC programmer or operator that doesn't have experience as a manual machinist.
Schooling here is optional, and you're able to challenge the exam after 4000hrs or 6000hrs of relevant experience to become a journeyman. (can't remember)
if you're genuinly interested than how you proceed needs to be a judgement call on your end.
have you networked/made a reputation proper enough to work in a jobbing shop with 0 experience? if not id recommend heading to a tech school, instead of challenging the exam. unless you can find a job that is.
good manual machinists shouldn't have a hard time finding a job if they're willing to move. but for excellent job security, CNC and/or tool and die are a must.
I haven't made contacts in the machining industry no. I was thinking I might need to go take classes first. I do t mind that, a structured environment helps. -
2019-10-24 at 9:47 AM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 11:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock lasciviously lambasted lanny the lactating leprechauns longing larynx with large loads of laptoplollipop launched love lube leaving the little lads lips lacerated, limpkin lactating, and labia languishing with lockjaw. (banned) CNC will never replace machinists. the most precise CNC machine in existence still needs its products eyeballed by a human with some sort of precision measuring device and ability to correct the frequent mistakes they make.
that…and small quantity production or even one-off/prototype will require a machinist who will work with manual tools or program the machines.
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2019-10-24 at 12:17 PM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 4:02 PM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 4:07 PM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 4:10 PM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 4:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by bigthink I'm not sure what country iam_asiam68 is from but you don't need 8000 hours on a lathe/mill/grinder to become a journeyman in Canada or the USA. (24000hrs?!?!! lol)
I've never heard of a CNC programmer or operator that doesn't have experience as a manual machinist.
Schooling here is optional, and you're able to challenge the exam after 4000hrs or 6000hrs of relevant experience to become a journeyman. (can't remember)
if you're genuinly interested than how you proceed needs to be a judgement call on your end.
have you networked/made a reputation proper enough to work in a jobbing shop with 0 experience? if not id recommend heading to a tech school, instead of challenging the exam. unless you can find a job that is.
good manual machinists shouldn't have a hard time finding a job if they're willing to move. but for excellent job security, CNC and/or tool and die are a must.
it's 8,000 hours + schooling total.
i never said 24,000 hours anywhere!!
and this is a quick reference check of what i claimed last night:
journeyman/machinist certification,non-union? - Practical Machinist
https://www.practicalmachinist.com › general › journeyman-machinist-cert...
Apr 11, 2008 - Is there a way to get this journeyman's card or certification if you are not in the union. ... Grinding, lathes, mills, and any other machines your company has, you ... For a tool & die maker it is 8000 hours plus related schooling. ... There is no nationwide standard or testing to insure the quality of these programs. -
2019-10-24 at 5:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny wrong.
No, you're wrong. Client comes in and starts talking to you about HOW to make a particular part, AI will not know shit unless you have a fully functional semantic engine and human level AGI to understand them. At which point nobody will be worrying about machinist job security. -
2019-10-24 at 5:18 PM UTCon the issue of AI's operating machinery, there will still be humans required to program, to fix what the AI's cannot, to make machine adjustments for tolerance, speeds and feeds, the AI cannot do that nor ever have a personal touch/feel for what's happening to any machine operating correctly or malfunctioning.
yeah, robots are great from moving heavy parts and things that require help from a human perspective, but they are robots/machines/AI's themselves and need require certain human abilities they are unable to perform. -
2019-10-24 at 5:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi No, you're wrong. Client comes in and starts talking to you about HOW to make a particular part, AI will not know shit unless you have a fully functional semantic engine and human level AGI to understand them. At which point nobody will be worrying about machinist job security.
we are talking about mass producing machined parts, not carving busts.
they have drawings and diagrams and physibles these days. of course there will always be people laising, but in the end there will just be humans feeding files into machines and collect whatever that come out of them. -
2019-10-24 at 6:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by iam_asiam68 on the issue of AI's operating machinery, there will still be humans required to program, to fix what the AI's cannot, to make machine adjustments for tolerance, speeds and feeds, the AI cannot do that nor ever have a personal touch/feel for what's happening to any machine operating correctly or malfunctioning.
no, in the future all these tasks will be done by machines themselves.
optical and sensory technologies will in the very near future produce sensors and senses that are superior to us humans, -
2019-10-24 at 6:04 PM UTCIt's called lathing, not laising. The lathe is the "mother of machine tools".
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2019-10-24 at 6:19 PM UTC
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2019-10-24 at 8 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny we are talking about mass producing machined parts, not carving busts.
they have drawings and diagrams and physibles these days. of course there will always be people laising, but in the end there will just be humans feeding files into machines and collect whatever that come out of them.
CNC can already machine parts to high precision, the problem is consistency and that will need a human for a very long time because nobody will be training AI for every new order.
