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2018-07-24 at 8:15 PM UTC
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2018-07-24 at 8:25 PM UTCYour freedom can’t infringe on anothers
Today that includes the freedom to be a giant offended pussy -
2018-07-24 at 8:35 PM UTC
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2018-07-24 at 8:38 PM UTCWell freedom is an illusionThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-07-24 at 8:43 PM UTC
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2018-07-25 at 6:38 AM UTC
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2018-07-25 at 8:35 AM UTC
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2018-07-25 at 2:38 PM UTCjohnny rotton says it so as it is at 45:44
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2018-07-25 at 3:08 PM UTCthe problem we've come to in modern times is this idea of employee/employer. i hate the idea, if i come and sweep your floors everyday as an employee, how is that any different than if i set myself up as a cleaning business and you outsourced the job to me? we would be doing business, it would be a business transaction. i provide a service in return for payment. that's all you are doing as an employee, but as an employee the employer gets to exert more control over you. he can then impose conditions that affect you in your private life. we've now arrived at a point where it is routine for an employer to impose drug testing on employees. and as this fred is about, also things you say in your private life, how you live your life and even views you hold can all be imposed on you by your employer. and you risk being fired if you don't, or if it is viewed that you don't comply. this makes you a slave.
and of course it gets even harder if you have a family, a mortgage and other debts. you have no choice then but to succumb to the impositions, because if you don't then you will be unable to pay debts, feed your family, or you risk them becoming homeless and even having children taken into care in that situation. the system of employer/employee is nothing more than a system of slavery with invisible chains. this is why i won't do employment and will only go for self-employment. i refuse to live my life being dictated to and controlled like that just for the opportunity of doing my fair share to society and earning a living, getting my fair share. we need to move away from the employee system and into a self-employment style system where you provide a service as a business in return for payment. because everybody who works is a business , its a basic system of trade.
if i go in macdonalds and have macdonalds provide the service of cooking and supplying me a meal, i don't get to demand the ceo of macdonalds takes a drug test before i pay for it, yet effectively i am his employer. but i'm not really, i'm a customer. if i sweep the floor of a factory then the factory is my customer in exactly the same way. they can pay me to sweep their floors today and they can decide to buy my services tomorrow and on a regular basis. i don't have to become their slave just to get the benefit of a continuous business contract from them.
the idea that an 'employment contract' gives you added benefits of job security is a fallacy. its really just a contract that secures you into slavery.
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2018-07-25 at 4:25 PM UTCMost businesses would be delighted to have all their employees as independent contractors. The costs and obligations of having employees is enormous.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-07-25 at 4:54 PM UTC
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2018-07-25 at 5:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Cootehill Most businesses would be delighted to have all their employees as independent contractors. The costs and obligations of having employees is enormous.
Yup. Health benefits, vacation pay, sick pay, unemployment insurance, tax, SS etc etc.
Hiring a contractor is so much less of a headache as you just pay the contract company a set fee...that's it...and usually that set fee is equal to or less than the REAL cost of an employee...but without the headache. -
2018-07-25 at 5:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Yup. Health benefits, vacation pay, sick pay, unemployment insurance, tax, SS etc etc.
Hiring a contractor is so much less of a headache as you just pay the contract company a set fee…that's it…and usually that set fee is equal to or less than the REAL cost of an employee…but without the headache.
but you have less control of them, not such an attractive option if you are the control freak type.
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2018-07-25 at 5:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the problem we've come to in modern times is this idea of employee/employer. i hate the idea, if i come and sweep your floors everyday as an employee, how is that any different than if i set myself up as a cleaning business and you outsourced the job to me? we would be doing business, it would be a business transaction. i provide a service in return for payment. that's all you are doing as an employee, but as an employee the employer gets to exert more control over you. he can then impose conditions that affect you in your private life. we've now arrived at a point where it is routine for an employer to impose drug testing on employees. and as this fred is about, also things you say in your private life, how you live your life and even views you hold can all be imposed on you by your employer. and you risk being fired if you don't, or if it is viewed that you don't comply. this makes you a slave.
and of course it gets even harder if you have a family, a mortgage and other debts. you have no choice then but to succumb to the impositions, because if you don't then you will be unable to pay debts, feed your family, or you risk them becoming homeless and even having children taken into care in that situation. the system of employer/employee is nothing more than a system of slavery with invisible chains. this is why i won't do employment and will only go for self-employment. i refuse to live my life being dictated to and controlled like that just for the opportunity of doing my fair share to society and earning a living, getting my fair share. we need to move away from the employee system and into a self-employment style system where you provide a service as a business in return for payment. because everybody who works is a business , its a basic system of trade.
if i go in macdonalds and have macdonalds provide the service of cooking and supplying me a meal, i don't get to demand the ceo of macdonalds takes a drug test before i pay for it, yet effectively i am his employer. but i'm not really, i'm a customer. if i sweep the floor of a factory then the factory is my customer in exactly the same way. they can pay me to sweep their floors today and they can decide to buy my services tomorrow and on a regular basis. i don't have to become their slave just to get the benefit of a continuous business contract from them.
the idea that an 'employment contract' gives you added benefits of job security is a fallacy. its really just a contract that secures you into slavery.
you have to remember history.
at the beginning of industrial revolution over there, it was the mob of jobless people who demanded to be taken and retained as permanent employees in exchange for their labor ....
very much like how women used to demand that you take them as permanent wife in exchange for sexual services.
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2018-07-25 at 5:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist but you have less control of them, not such an attractive option if you are the control freak type.
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Just get rid of them and get another one in. I use a company here that supplies contractors...I know within 4 or 5hrs if they are worth keeping or not...if one works out for a week then 'shuts down' I just get rid of them and get another one in.
The company I use is a new one and claims to be the "uber" of employment....you go online, create a need...people apply...you look at their qualifications/experience, then click "assign to job"...done, they show up next day. -
2018-07-25 at 8:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the problem we've come to in modern times is this idea of employee/employer. i hate the idea, if i come and sweep your floors everyday as an employee, how is that any different than if i set myself up as a cleaning business and you outsourced the job to me? we would be doing business, it would be a business transaction. i provide a service in return for payment. that's all you are doing as an employee, but as an employee the employer gets to exert more control over you. he can then impose conditions that affect you in your private life. we've now arrived at a point where it is routine for an employer to impose drug testing on employees. and as this fred is about, also things you say in your private life, how you live your life and even views you hold can all be imposed on you by your employer. and you risk being fired if you don't, or if it is viewed that you don't comply. this makes you a slave.
and of course it gets even harder if you have a family, a mortgage and other debts. you have no choice then but to succumb to the impositions, because if you don't then you will be unable to pay debts, feed your family, or you risk them becoming homeless and even having children taken into care in that situation. the system of employer/employee is nothing more than a system of slavery with invisible chains. this is why i won't do employment and will only go for self-employment. i refuse to live my life being dictated to and controlled like that just for the opportunity of doing my fair share to society and earning a living, getting my fair share. we need to move away from the employee system and into a self-employment style system where you provide a service as a business in return for payment. because everybody who works is a business , its a basic system of trade.
if i go in macdonalds and have macdonalds provide the service of cooking and supplying me a meal, i don't get to demand the ceo of macdonalds takes a drug test before i pay for it, yet effectively i am his employer. but i'm not really, i'm a customer. if i sweep the floor of a factory then the factory is my customer in exactly the same way. they can pay me to sweep their floors today and they can decide to buy my services tomorrow and on a regular basis. i don't have to become their slave just to get the benefit of a continuous business contract from them.
the idea that an 'employment contract' gives you added benefits of job security is a fallacy. its really just a contract that secures you into slavery.
same shit. different day.
this is how human society has been running since the first villages came together...they just come up with new names for it. slave. serf. employee. same difference -
2018-07-25 at 8:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader you have to remember history.
at the beginning of industrial revolution over there, it was the mob of jobless people who demanded to be taken and retained as permanent employees in exchange for their labor ….
very much like how women used to demand that you take them as permanent wife in exchange for sexual services.
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the fuck are you smoking. that is totally not how it went. at all. not even a little bit.
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2018-07-25 at 8:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock same shit. different day.
this is how human society has been running since the first villages came together…they just come up with new names for it. slave. serf. employee. same difference
exactly, slavery never ended, it just evolved. the situation is set to suit the elite, the business owners, not the average joe. you can bet your bottom dollar on that fact.
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2018-07-25 at 8:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist but you have less control of them, not such an attractive option if you are the control freak type
false. having a contractor entails the same control as a direct employee without the responsibility to assure a consistent paycheck and other employee related 'liabilities'...payroll...insurance...government employment responsibility... -
2018-07-25 at 8:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist exactly, slavery never ended, it just evolved. the situation is set to suit the elite, the business owners, not the average joe. you can bet your bottom dollar on that fact
like i said: same shit. different day. and a new name. 'slavery' started when an individual possessed certain skills that others required then when they made a name for themselves 'took an apprentice' under the guise of teaching them a trade/skill. the parents gave their kid...aged about pre-teen...to a 'master'...to teach/instruct.
