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Are you actually racist or no?
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2017-12-09 at 2:19 AM UTCCan i be a subgroup?
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2017-12-09 at 2:24 AM UTCI'm perfectly ambivalent to the problem. Race couldn't matter less to me.
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2017-12-09 at 2:36 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-12-09 at 2:58 AM UTC
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2017-12-09 at 4:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS I honestly feel pretty bad when a visibly Arab/Muslim person sits next to me, because I know they probably feel like everyone is side eyeing them.
I was once in a shopping mall muslims had shot up pretty bad a few years ago, and I was just thinking how weird it was that there were muslims in it, and wondering if they felt ashamed at all.
I really don't think they do. Their religion is that they are right, divinely mandated moral exceptionalism. Self-reflection isn't in their cognitive tool bag, and they certainly aren't indoctrinated with guilt and self-loathing from an early age the way we Catholics are. -
2017-12-09 at 4:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 I was once in a shopping mall muslims had shot up pretty bad a few years ago, and I was just thinking how weird it was that there were muslims in it, and wondering if they felt ashamed at all.
I really don't think they do. Their religion is that they are right, divinely mandated moral exceptionalism. Self-reflection isn't in their cognitive tool bag, and they certainly aren't indoctrinated with guilt and self-loathing from an early age the way we Catholics are.
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2017-12-09 at 5:04 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-12-09 at 5:16 AM UTCYou just claimed that 1.8 billion people don't have self reflection in their 'cognitive toolbag.' Nothing more really needs to be said.
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2017-12-09 at 5:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 You just claimed that 1.8 billion people don't have self reflection in their 'cognitive toolbag.' Nothing more really needs to be said.
I said that a particular religion had a particular world view. Are you an expert on the Islamic world view?
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2017-12-09 at 5:39 AM UTCSo to repeat, you are legitimately saying that you don't believe 1/4th of the world has the capacity for self reflection? They literally, their whole lives, just never think about how other people see them. That's what you're saying? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound? Don't need to go very high on that pyramid to prove you wrong.
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2017-12-09 at 5:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 So to repeat, you are legitimately saying that you don't believe 1/4th of the world has the capacity for self reflection? They literally, their whole lives, just never think about how other people see them. That's what you're saying? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound? Don't need to go very high on that pyramid to prove you wrong.
It's reality. Muslims (and jedis) have a whole different concept of sin than we do. It is a religious value, as well as a very middle eastern one.
But you know you really are a whingey little tosspot §m£ÂgØL. You never outgrew being a cunty social justice teenager. "Oh but I like to say Nigger aren't I edgy". Get the fuck out of here.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-12-09 at 5:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 It's reality. Muslims (and jedis) have a whole different concept of sin than we do. It is a religious value, as well as a very middle eastern one.
But you know you really are a whingey little tosspot §m£ÂgØL. You never outgrew being a cunty social justice teenager. "Oh but I like to say Nigger aren't I edgy". Get the fuck out of here.
Bro he literally thinks American niggers don't have a right to complain because they are well off compared to kids in Somalia and shit, he is not an SJW -
2017-12-09 at 5:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 It's reality. Muslims (and jedis) have a whole different concept of sin than we do. It is a religious value, as well as a very middle eastern one.
But you know you really are a whingey little tosspot §m£ÂgØL. You never outgrew being a cunty social justice teenager. "Oh but I like to say Nigger aren't I edgy". Get the fuck out of here.
No. Self reflection is an intrinsic human value. When a full garbed Muslim goes out in public in America, they're probably thinking like "Wow nobody else is wearing this" "I miss my home country where everybody followed God's law" "Hey look another Muslim I'm not alone."
Everybody has a self image and understands the environment they're in. I don't know how this has anything to do with social justice shit. This is basic knowledge that any observant human should have made long ago of other humans. You're the one being edgy with your 'bwaaah muslims can't think about themselves.' Even gorillas and pigeons can think about themselves. Babies who know no religion can think about themselves. They don't lose that when they grow up into Islam. You are objectively wrong.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-12-09 at 5:57 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-12-09 at 6 AM UTC
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2017-12-09 at 6:01 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-12-09 at 6:14 AM UTC
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2017-12-09 at 6:15 AM UTCShaun "Talcum X" King is not black
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2017-12-09 at 9:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra If you're after a specific example, my father's family is Vietnamese and they migrated here to Australia after the Vietnam War. My father, aunts, uncles etc. were forced to integrate through school, but there were many people in that community (most specifically those who were older) who abjectly refused to learn or speak English and would interact only with close family groups - any time they needed to interact with someone outside the circle they'd send the kids.
Things aren't nearly as bad as they used to be, but south-east Asian and Arabic (Lebanese mostly) enclaves caused massive issues in western Sydney in the 90s for the very reason that they didn't understand or respect the host culture. Local groups ranged from indifferent to hostile to police, corruption in local government was an epidemic, there were almost parallel legal systems in operation… Things like that.
There's sort of a similar situation with the Chinese demographic in San Francisco and that's a population that dates all the way back to the gold rush (although has had continuing immigration, most recent boom being the cultural revolution). I think it's fascinating, there's like this whole other world that exists in physically the exact same place but for most of the time it's invisible. There's a significant population that don't have any more English than necessary for the most rudimentary commerce and these are people from 3rd+ generation families, street signs are in chinese in several neighborhoods, there is a whole array of stores, public spaces, social activities, and system of education that is de facto inaccessible to anyone who isn't Chinese. But at the fringe there's this kind of layer of interaction that's productive and inoffensive to the rest of the world. People deep in that society don't cause problems, keep to themselves, no one minds them or even hardly knows they exist, people even remark how the homeless chinese tend to quietly and neatly pick through garbage while every other kind begs.
It does kind of cover up a fair amount of corruption and abuse (the sextrade in SF is asian owned and operated) which like, objectively I know it's bad and I think the larger society ought to intervene. But since there's this clear line, and it's not causing issues in the larger society, there's this weird impulse to say "let them organize themselves how they want". Like in the same way I think the treatment of women in many tribal african societies is clearly wrong but I don't think that can justify a western state using police or military force to try and "fix" things. I mean obviously there's a big difference between annexing a country to enforce civil rights and maintaining consistent law within your own borders but I think it's more of a matter of scale than kind. Like there's this continuum where society has the lowest levels of regulation over a person (I mean there's still a lot of regulation, but you can choose a lot of things in your life, make bad decisions, or harm yourself and the society doesn't intervene for the most part), then over families (you can't hit your kids too much but you can raise them as nudists), then communities where you can vote on the trivialities of governance like where city hall is who gets the contract to supply electricity but you don't get a choice in providing electricity. Like you might or might not expect your wife to do the cooking, but if you accept the decision of your buddy to do the opposite but we wouldn't entrust the state to make either decision. In the same way, I feel like the social liberties the Chinese enclave has taken for itself are more or less within the circle of what cultural communities can elect for themselves. -
2017-12-09 at 9:41 AM UTCman I'm high
