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Can you get your head around the vastness of nothing?
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2020-01-19 at 8:12 PM UTCWait there’s an ironic way to fuck dogs????
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2020-01-19 at 9:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox You obviously didn’t read any of the stuff I’ve been saying if you think I don’t realize that. Yes I understand that everything in space is really, really far away from each other. But there are an estimated 3×10²² stars in the observable universe. It’s hard to grasp how big a number that is, just as it’s hard to grasp how far away even the nearest of those stars are.
But that means if even only %0.00000000000001 of those stars host intelligent life comparable to ourselves, that’s over 3,000,000 civilizations.
So just for argument’s sake let’s make the assumption that the first intelligent life emerged 5 billion years after the Big Bang, and that’s a pretty conservative estimate I think. The universe is now roughly 14 billion years old, so that would mean any civilization that we could ever encounter during that time would have to be within 9 billion light years of us due to the light speed barrier. Well let’s be fair and say they could only send things out at 90% the speed of light, so make that 8 billion light years. And btw it’s very realistic even with today’s technologies & theory to accelerate a small object to 10-20% the speed of light over large distances. It would just be insanely expensive.
So if those 3,000,000 civilizations were roughly equally distributed throughout the observable universe then there could still be potentially hundreds, maybe even thousands of them close enough to us to have been physically able to visit earth in that time.
And if even only 1% of them actually lasted long enough without being destroyed to develop the technological means to explore the universe, at least one of them (or their proxy) should have already been here by now, if not several. And that’s the crux of the Fermi paradox and the whole point I was trying to make.
Let me put it this way: say humanity will live on forever. What do you think our civilization will be like in a billion years from now. Do you honestly think given a BILLION YEARS, we wouldn’t have the ability to go to other stars? You’d have to be stupid to believe that. 50 years ago I doubt anyone could have even conceptualized the possibility that within a few decades everybody would be walking around with a telephone, personal computer, tv, camera, video recorder, calculator, and a fucking repository of all human knowledge in their pocket. That’s how much we’ve changed in 50 years, now imagine a billion years.
So assuming we might ourselves eventually develop the means to visit other parts of the universe…. why wouldn’t we? And if other intelligent life forms were to progress similarly to us, why wouldn’t they? And why haven’t they? We’re talking about civilizations that potentially could have had an 8 billion-year lead on us.
And that brings me back to my original point. If we make all the above assumptions and yet we still have not encountered any evidence of life other than ourselves, I believe one of the more likely explanations is that once a civilization reaches a certain level of advancement they basically become machines and are too busy running simulated realities to bother with this one. And I’m not talking about a matrix-style bullshit fantasy world as Captain Faggot implied earlier, I mean incomprehensibly complex simulations meant to perhaps learn something about other realities, higher dimensions, the ultimate fate of the universe, etc. Maybe even exploring the possibility of one day LEAVING this universe, since, as we all know, one day this universe will end and we will die with it if we don’t think of something.
Call me a moron all you want, but nothing I’ve said is impossible, none of it violates any laws of physics. There are lots of possible explanations for the Fermi paradox that scholars and philosophers have written about endlessly, I’m just saying which one I personally find most convincing. It’s either that or we really are alone
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2020-01-19 at 9:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE Didn't read.
Ok then just this partI believe one of the more likely explanations is that once a civilization reaches a certain level of advancement they basically become machines and are too busy running simulated realities to bother with this one. And I’m not talking about a matrix-style bullshit fantasy world as Captain Faggot implied earlier, I mean incomprehensibly complex simulations meant to perhaps learn something about other realities, higher dimensions, the ultimate fate of the universe, etc. Maybe even exploring the possibility of one day LEAVING this universe, since, as we all know, one day this universe will end and we will die with it if we don’t think of something.
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2020-01-19 at 9:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL There's some black holes out there the size of an entire universe. Just imagine the level of power they wield. The energies involved would be next to immeasurable. And then there's neutron stars, where just a single teaspoon of its matter weighs as much as the The Great Pyramid of Giza, and its gravity well could compact our entire solar system down to the head of a pin.
fucking hell
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2020-01-19 at 9:31 PM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 9:35 PM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 9:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox if even only %0.00000000000001 of those stars host intelligent life comparable to ourselves, that’s over 3,000,000 civilizations.
So just for argument’s sake let’s make the assumption that the first intelligent life emerged 5 billion years after the Big Bang, and that’s a pretty conservative estimate I think. The universe is now roughly 14 billion years old, so that would mean any civilization that we could ever encounter during that time would have to be within 9 billion light years of us due to the light speed barrier. Well let’s be fair and say they could only send things out at 90% the speed of light, so make that 8 billion light years. And btw it’s very realistic even with today’s technologies & theory to accelerate a small object to 10-20% the speed of light over large distances. It would just be insanely expensive.
So if those 3,000,000 civilizations were roughly equally distributed throughout the observable universe then there could still be potentially hundreds, maybe even thousands of them close enough to us to have been physically able to visit earth in that time.
And if even only 1% of them actually lasted long enough without being destroyed to develop the technological means to explore the universe, at least one of them (or their proxy) should have already been here by now, if not several.
You've just made a good argument against what you are arguing for, especially since there are around 2 trillion galaxies.
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2020-01-19 at 10:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country You've just made a good argument against what you are arguing for, especially since there are around 2 trillion galaxies.
There are around 10^24 stars also, your number is 2 orders of magnitude out.
Ok then just take a couple zeroes off the hypothetical “%0.00000000000000000001” number I just pulled out of my ass. My point was even if it’s a very small percentage, that still leaves plenty of room for hundreds of thousands to millions of other civilizations to rise.
That is of course unless the rare earth hypothesis is true and we’re either the only one or there’s maybe one or two others and they’re on the opposite end of the universe. Which as I already said, may very well be the case. -
2020-01-19 at 10:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Ok then just take a couple zeroes off the hypothetical “%0.00000000000000000001” number I just pulled out of my ass. My point was even if it’s a very small percentage, that still leaves plenty of room for hundreds of thousands to millions of other civilizations to rise.
That is of course unless the rare earth hypothesis is true and we’re either the only one or there’s maybe one or two others and they’re on the opposite end of the universe. Which as I already said, may very well be the case.
In other words we just don't know and guessing either way is just an assumption.
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2020-01-19 at 10:18 PM UTChumans have an amazing lack of self awareness if they think intelligent life would ever choose to interact with them on anything like a reciprocal basis.
"Why don't the aliens land and introduce themselves?"
Humans can't even do complicated maths in their head, they don't have rules, they don't understand how things work, they learn slowly, they don't have much insight, they are barely capable of reason, they are a race of high-functioning schizophrenics, they don't have any plan for the future, they don't have any meaning for life besides religious horseshit, they're basically retarded apes, and they're getting dumber every generation. -
2020-01-19 at 10:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Narc In other words we just don't know and guessing either way is just an assumption.
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No shit. That’s why this is a discussion and not a history lesson. If we knew any of that shit for sure then we would not even be talking about this.... we would just know and accept it as fact... I can’t even... -
2020-01-19 at 10:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL There's some black holes out there the size of an entire universe. Just imagine the level of power they wield. The energies involved would be next to immeasurable. And then there's neutron stars, where just a single teaspoon of its matter weighs as much as the The Great Pyramid of Giza, and its gravity well could compact our entire solar system down to the head of a pin.
Yeah but do you know about the GRAY HOLES? Far, far more vast than any black hole out there. They eat universe-sized black holes for breakfast. -
2020-01-19 at 10:33 PM UTCI have heard that at the end of the universe everything disappears into a giant goatse hole
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2020-01-19 at 10:43 PM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 10:45 PM UTCCan you imagine thinking an alien would come here.
Earth is basically Liberia.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-01-19 at 10:47 PM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 11:09 PM UTCi can't understand the vastness of the nothingness around us, i cant even grasp how much water is in a lake/how heavy 1km cube of earth is
the closest ive come to at least 'feeling' how large everything is was/small i am was after eating 15g of mushrooms while camping in the middle of nowhere. lying on the ground looking up was terrifyingly disorienting and grounding at the same time. i definitely left the mountain more humble than i entered lol. wish it was possible to feel that level of insignificance while sober. -
2020-01-19 at 11:33 PM UTCEvery galaxy has a black hole at its center. Even our home galaxy, the Milky Way, has a four million solar mass black hole located at its center, only about 27,000 light years from Earth.
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