Can you get your head around the vastness of nothing?

1. 2020-11-13 at 9:18 PM UTC

   #541
   

   -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

   Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Nothing doesn't exist…

   
   Ok, do you exist before you're born?
2. 2020-11-13 at 9:19 PM UTC

   #542
   

   ORACLE Naturally Camouflaged

   Originally posted by -SpectraL But how can Allah come from nothing? You still haven't answered my question.

   Coming from nothing implies there was a nothing and a before. Some things simply are true, such as 2+2 being equal to 4. Such is the case for Allah.
3. 2020-11-13 at 9:21 PM UTC

   #543
   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

   Originally posted by -SpectraL Ok, do you exist before you're born?

   
   Non sequitur...whether I did or didn't, something did...like my parents for example.
4. 2020-11-13 at 9:21 PM UTC

   #544
   

   -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

   Originally posted by ORACLE Coming from nothing implies there was a nothing and a before. Some things simply are true, such as 2+2 being equal to 4. Such is the case for Allah.

   
   Ok, so you're saying time extends in both directions for infinity.
5. 2020-11-13 at 9:22 PM UTC

   #545
   

   ORACLE Naturally Camouflaged
   You very clearly do not understand what the term "non sequitur" means. What he said was merely stupid, not a non sequitur.
6. 2020-11-13 at 9:22 PM UTC

   #546
   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole
   Even in the absence of physical material..something still exists...the passage of time, the laws of physics etc.
7. 2020-11-13 at 9:24 PM UTC

   #547
   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

   Originally posted by ORACLE You very clearly do not understand what the term "non sequitur" means. What he said was merely stupid, not a non sequitur.

   
   Non sequitur...
   
   a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
   
   His statement did not logically follow mine...as as stated...my personal existence has no bearing on whether nothing exits or not...stick to selling lotto cards Sabu.
8. 2020-11-13 at 9:24 PM UTC

   #548
   

   -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

   Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Even in the absence of physical material..something still exists…the passage of time, the laws of physics etc.

   
   You don't know what arrangement exists in other dimensions. There could very well be dimensions where time and space and the laws of physics don't exist.
9. 2020-11-13 at 9:25 PM UTC

   #549
   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

   Originally posted by -SpectraL You don't know what arrangement exists in other dimensions. There could very well be dimensions where time and space and the laws of physics don't exist.

   
   Unknowns are not generally good rebuttals.
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10. 2020-11-13 at 9:27 PM UTC

    #550
    

    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    Think of the smallest particle we can observe. If we cut that smallest particle in half, will there be nothing left there to half again? And if there is, does there ever come a point where there's nothing left to half? No. So, that means matter and space and energy are eternal in the microscopic.
11. 2020-11-13 at 9:28 PM UTC

    #551
    

    ORACLE Naturally Camouflaged

    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Even in the absence of physical material..something still exists…the passage of time, the laws of physics etc.

    
    Neither of those are independent things that exist in the absence of matter. Photons are not matter and if there are no massive particles, there is no concept of passage of time. The laws of physics are entirely contingent and they can't really exist without generating matter inevitably.
12. 2020-11-13 at 9:28 PM UTC

    #552
    

    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Unknowns are not generally good rebuttals.

    
    Unknowns spoil any rebuttal, don't they?
13. 2020-11-13 at 9:29 PM UTC

    #553
    Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

    Originally posted by -SpectraL Think of the smallest particle we can observe. If we cut that smallest particle in half, will there be nothing left there to half again? And if there is, does there ever come a point where there's nothing left to half? No. So, that means matter and space and energy are eternal in the microscopic.

    
    You're too tied into the material aspects...Again an empty space with ZERO particles in it...still exists...it has shape, it has time, it has physics, it can be passed through, you can put an electric kettle in it...how can you put an electric kettle in nothing?
14. 2020-11-13 at 9:29 PM UTC

    #554
    Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

    Originally posted by -SpectraL Unknowns spoil any rebuttal, don't they?

    
    No, it's just a lowbrow argument.
15. 2020-11-13 at 9:32 PM UTC

    #555
    Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

    Originally posted by ORACLE Neither of those are independent things that exist in the absence of matter. Photons are not matter and if there are no massive particles, there is no concept of passage of time. The laws of physics are entirely contingent and they can't really exist without generating matter inevitably.

    
    ..then that's something dumbo...not nothing...another one tied into the idea that something has to have physical attributes.
    
    
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16. 2020-11-13 at 9:32 PM UTC

    #556
    

    ORACLE Naturally Camouflaged

    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson You're too tied into the material aspects…Again an empty space with ZERO particles in it…still exists…it has shape, it has time, it has physics, it can be passed through, you can put an electric kettle in it…how can you put an electric kettle in nothing?

    
    Virtual particles will always exist, that is part of the basic consequences of quantum field theory.
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17. 2020-11-13 at 9:34 PM UTC

    #557
    Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

    Originally posted by ORACLE Virtual particles will always exist, that is part of the basic consequences of quantum field theory.

    
    
    
    
    Like I said..nothing doesn't exist.
18. 2020-11-13 at 9:35 PM UTC

    #558
    

    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    JJ: If nothing is actually something, then nothing actually exists.
19. 2020-11-13 at 9:36 PM UTC

    #559
    Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

    Originally posted by -SpectraL JJ: If nothing is actually something, then nothing actually exists.

    
    Nothing isn't something because nothing doesn't exist...
    
    Something exists...so something is something.
20. 2020-11-13 at 9:43 PM UTC

    #560
    WellHung Black Hole

    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Unknowns are not generally good rebuttals.

    
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