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Where is the line between being a junkie and not?
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2019-04-19 at 3:38 PM UTC
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2019-04-19 at 3:42 PM UTCDOING CRYSTAL METH WILL LIFT YOU UP UNTIL YOU BREAK
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2019-04-19 at 4:47 PM UTC
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2019-04-19 at 5:02 PM UTC
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2019-04-19 at 6:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues What does wage have to do with it. They are getting paid to do a job. If your only job is to ensure them dishes are clean as fuck.. then damn… make them mother fuckers shine. The pay in this scenario is on par with the job.
Let's not act like someone whose only job is to clean dishes should do a shit job because they dont make a doctor's salary for cleaning dishes ffs.
I'm talking about a few mere decimal points in margin of error.
The same kind of margin of error that well-engineered machine can cover.
People shouldn't have to be dishwashers. It's a grueling job. Again, I am saying this from experience. Have you ever been a dishwasher? You can't honestly say you enjoyed it and found it spiritually fulfilling. -
2019-04-19 at 6:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator He's washing dishes, not going into space or operating.
So why isn't he/she going into space or operating?
Why shouldn't we encourage people to aspire for greater achievements, and automate the rest?
Where's the downside to that?
If someone is so damn insistent that they want to be a dishwasher, then we can shut down one of the 99.99% accurate automated AI dishwashers and let the human wash dishes to their hearts content (THEY WILL NOT reach that 99.99% accuracy, though). -
2019-04-19 at 6:29 PM UTC
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2019-04-19 at 6:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Narc You could easily build a machine that would perfectly wash any type of dish or pot with current technology. Fitting such a machine into the average restaurant kitchen and/or running it cost effectively compared to paying some sap minwage is another matter.
Amazon has successfully established stores that replace human retailers and cashiers entirely...
Restaurants aren't far behind. -
2019-04-19 at 10:59 PM UTC@ zooks
Your comparing washing dishes to the intense study of human life.. years of it in fact.
One small surgeon's error could result in fatality. Dropping a fucking dish perhaps, isnt going to wield the same consequence.
Washing dishes takes NO complex thought or skill. Your washing a fucking dish. Minimum wage is plenty for that role.
And no I've never been a dishwasher but I have held low level jobs and made just over minimum wage.
Fuck eliminating employment because it's a shit job. Do you know the % of people that hate their job that have amazing benefits, make a great income etc? It's high as fuck.
Forgive me zook, but I dont understand your thought process here. Maybe I'm not following the direction of this conversation. -
2019-04-19 at 11:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues Forgive me zook, but I dont understand your thought process here. Maybe I'm not following the direction of this conversation.
I've recently drank the technocommunism Kool aid.
I'm thoroughly convinced that, within the next generation or so, we can eliminate the need for work altogether by automating absolutely everything by distributing the means of production amongst the people.
And jobs like dishwasher (as well as pretty much any minimum wage job) should be the first to go. The types of folks who were once destined to be dishwashers for life will thus be able to pursue other passions without having having to worry about rent, bills, etc. -
2019-04-19 at 11:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues Minimum wage is plenty for that role.
No it's not, minimum wage in most places is not enough to afford rent, bills and food. People that make minimum wage spend 70% of their income or more just on living expenses alone.
Food and Rent is also overpriced in most places because of Corporate gouging and landlords that have to pay high taxes because of municipal regulations.
That's why working minimum wage in first world countries is bullshit because you are basically making as much as some person in India that gets $5 a week, except they probably have more disposable income than a first world minimum wage earner because you can buy a hot meal for like 25cents and lots of stuff is free or provided by the government.
That's how they can afford thousand dollar flight to the first world because you can actually save money in poor countries unlike first world ones where everyone has their hand in your pocket and even your own bank fucks you over.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-20 at 3:02 AM UTCYou guys are all over the place with this shit. Lol.
Fine. Dishwashers should be paid the same as a surgeon.
Are we okay guis? -
2019-04-20 at 3:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues You guys are all over the place with this shit. Lol.
Fine. Dishwashers should be paid the same as a surgeon.
Are we okay guis?
Well that's not quite fair, because for one thing, the surgeon had to spend years of time and hard work as well as money for tuition and lost wages to become a surgeon.
Also, the surgeons job is arguably harder and more stressful (a lot on the line).
My point is just that the whole job of dishwasher shouldn't exist. -
2019-04-20 at 3:15 AM UTCTechnically the job of surgeon shouldn't exist either... But we're a (relatively) long way from robot surgeons.
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2019-04-20 at 3:22 AM UTCThey do have robotic surgery. It’s ideal because the incisions are so small, enabling an easier recovery, etc., etc.. The surgeon manipulates an “arm” with skinny appendages to do the surgery.
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2019-04-20 at 3:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by Daddyissues You guys are all over the place with this shit. Lol.
Fine. Dishwashers should be paid the same as a surgeon.
Are we okay guis?
They should either raise minimum wage or lower the cost of living but that will never happen because it's easier to just milk the blue collar working man for every penny he has and keep the status quo -
2019-04-20 at 3:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist They do have robotic surgery. It’s ideal because the incisions are so small, enabling an easier recovery, etc., etc.. The surgeon manipulates an “arm” with skinny appendages to do the surgery.
Yeah I had heard of that before, they can even do it remotely from another country or even hemisphere, but there's still a human behind the helm.
Perhaps one day AI robotics will be able to do even that.
A lot of people are apprehensive about the idea of their jobs being replaced, but, as long as the means of production, as well as the profits of production, are all spread amongst the people, then it would be an incredibly good thing for everyone.
However, if the means and profits of production remain in the hands of an infinitesimally small minority AND people's jobs are getting replaced... That's just straight up dystopian. -
2019-04-20 at 4 AM UTCFuck robots, in the future technology will be so advanced that you can do surgery on yourself.
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2019-04-20 at 4:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Fuck robots, in the future technology will be so advanced that you can do surgery on yourself.
I see your DIY surgery, and raise you with DIY gene editing that will result in bodies that don't even need surgery (well, except for physical trauma... but one wouldn't really be able to do surgery on themselves after being shot a few times, or after a serious car wreck, anyway). -
2019-04-20 at 4:04 AM UTCAnd then there's just uploading our brains into some kind of cyberspace...
But to be honest, when it gets that far, it starts to creep me out a bit.
