Where is the line between being a junkie and not?

1. 2019-04-19 at 12:38 PM UTC

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   Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

   Originally posted by WellHung This is a great question. I consider myself an addict, but not a junkie. I'm not sure if junkie is a slang or real technical term… but the image that's in my head when I think a junkie is someone who's unclean, homeless, and has subjugated completely everything else in their life, for the drug… basically they've lost all their possessions and relationships with others to the drug, really only have the clothes on their back.

   
   Because the only thing that concerns them is getting as high as poss as often as poss. Often as poss being all the fucking time.
   
   
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2. 2019-04-19 at 12:40 PM UTC

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   Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

   Originally posted by Jυicebox I might have made this whole thing up, but I always thought a "junkie" was a heroin addict because an old slang term for heroin was "junk"

   
   Or maybe they called it junk because its what a junkie does. Who knows.
   
   
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3. 2019-04-19 at 12:44 PM UTC

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   Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]
   If you're gonna term the word junkie simply to anybody that uses heroin. Then pretty much everybody is a junkie. Pretty much everybody will have some form of treatment where diamorphine is used to treat the pain at some time in their life. That use of the term makes everybody a junkie.
   
   
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4. 2019-04-19 at 12:46 PM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by Narc If you're gonna term the word junkie simply to anybody that uses heroin. Then pretty much everybody is a junkie. Pretty much everybody will have some form of treatment where diamorphine is used to treat the pain at some time in their life. That use of the term makes everybody a junkie.
   
   
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   in most other countries it is not used medically
5. 2019-04-19 at 12:49 PM UTC

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   Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

   Originally posted by Jυicebox in most other countries it is not used medically

   
   They'd still use morphine which is as close. Many heroin addicts will get hold of plain morphine amps and use them. The only difference between morphine and diamorphine is diamorphine is double the potency meaning you only need use half the dose.
   
   
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6. 2019-04-19 at 12:51 PM UTC

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   WellHung Black Hole

   Originally posted by Jυicebox in most other countries it is not used medically

   
   Diamorphine isn't heroin. Heroin is an illicit street drug.... dia is a regulated Pharmaceutical. Don't classify them together just cuz they're opiates. Do methamphetamines and amphetamines do the same shit? i think not...
   
   I quoted the wrong thing this post was directed at narc...
   
   Heroin is much more dangerous due to the fact it's simply unregulated and each batch could vary tremendously in Purity and quality and available adulterants and contaminants.
7. 2019-04-19 at 12:55 PM UTC

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   Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

   Originally posted by WellHung Diamorphine isn't heroin. Heroin is an illicit street drug…. dia is a regulated Pharmaceutical. Don't classify them together just cuz they're opiates. Do methamphetamines and amphetamines do the same shit? i think not…
   
   I quoted the wrong thing this post was directed at narc…

   
   The only response you could give this...
   
   
   
   
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8. 2019-04-19 at 12:55 PM UTC

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   Common De-mominator African Astronaut

   Originally posted by gadzooks Have you ever been a dishwasher?
   
   It's not exactly an enviable position.
   
   Why should they get paid minimum wage and be expected of the exact same results as a plastic surgeon making close to a million dollars a year?

   
   Because that is the price they are offered and accept.
9. 2019-04-19 at 12:55 PM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by WellHung Diamorphine isn't heroin. Heroin is an illicit street drug…. dia is a regulated Pharmaceutical. Don't classify them together just cuz they're opiates.

   
   They're literally the same chemical though
   
   

   Do methamphetamines and amphetamines do the same shit? i think not…

   
   Yes. But meth is seemingly pretty rare outside of NA. Most other countries have amp paste or speed paste, which is the same chemical as Adderall
   
   The pharmaceutical version of meth is called "Desoxyn", they're the same chemical
   
   Purity is the only difference between the pharmaceutical and illicit versions
   The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!

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10. 2019-04-19 at 12:56 PM UTC

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    Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]
    I suppose alprazolam isn't the same as xanax then?
    
    
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11. 2019-04-19 at 1:03 PM UTC

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    WellHung Black Hole
    Narc your intelligence leaves a whole lot to be desired. that analogy is piss-poor and inaccurate. Juice Box you're missing my point. They may be the same chemical...but heroin could have other dirty adulterants and contaminants in it ...and you don't know how strong the dose is going to be. Diamorphine is legal, regulated and standardized. The active ingredients are going to be the exact same in every pill or dose... and there are not going to be adulterants and contaminants. Capeche?
12. 2019-04-19 at 1:05 PM UTC

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    WellHung Black Hole

    Originally posted by Jυicebox They're literally the same chemical though
    
    
    
    Yes. But meth is seemingly pretty rare outside of NA. Most other countries have amp paste or speed paste, which is the same chemical as Adderall
    
    The pharmaceutical version of meth is called "Desoxyn", they're the same chemical
    
    Purity is the only difference between the pharmaceutical and illicit versions

    
    so there's a difference... so they shouldn't be referred to in an interchangeable fashion, like narc proposed.
13. 2019-04-19 at 1:06 PM UTC

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    WellHung Black Hole
    Also...
    even the same chemical can still be molecularly different... what about isomers? the spatial arrangement of the atoms in the molecules can be different. That means there can be potentially different perceived subjective effects that each user experiences.
14. 2019-04-19 at 1:08 PM UTC

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    WellHung Black Hole

    Originally posted by Narc I suppose alprazolam isn't the same as xanax then?
    
    
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    They're both legal regulated standard Pharmaceuticals... Xanax is simply a trade name... a brand name. Alprazolam is the name of the chemical.
15. 2019-04-19 at 1:55 PM UTC

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    Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

    Originally posted by WellHung Diamorphine is legal, regulated and standardized. The active ingredients are going to be the exact same in every pill or dose… and there are not going to be adulterants and contaminants. Capeche?

    
    Wrong
    
    Morphine tablets contain at least sodium citrate and other bonding agents.
    
    Oramorph will contain water, sugars and some other adulterants that make up that milky looking liquid. Thats certainly not a pure form of morphine.
    
    Diamorphine amps contain water, citric acid and usually some anticoagulant of some type. Possibly other agents. Again not a pure form of diamorphine.
    
    These are all adulterants, are they not?
    
    Agreed that you can be more sure exactly what the adulterants are and even the exact ratios. But all this smoke and mirrors doesn't change my original point that to call somebody a junkie just for using heroin makes pretty much everybody a junkie.
    
    I mean there are many addicts who get pharmaceutical amps and use them all the time. Would you not consider them a junkie or even a heroin addict? According to you its not the same.
    
    
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16. 2019-04-19 at 1:58 PM UTC

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    Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

    Originally posted by WellHung They're both legal regulated standard Pharmaceuticals… Xanax is simply a trade name… a brand name. Alprazolam is the name of the chemical.

    
    I know, it was fucking sarcasm you mong.
    
    
    
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17. 2019-04-19 at 2:26 PM UTC

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    WellHung Black Hole

    Originally posted by Narc Wrong
    
    Morphine tablets contain at least sodium citrate and other bonding agents.
    
    Oramorph will contain water, sugars and some other adulterants that make up that milky looking liquid. Thats certainly not a pure form of morphine.
    
    Diamorphine amps contain water, citric acid and usually some anticoagulant of some type. Possibly other agents. Again not a pure form of diamorphine.
    
    These are all adulterants, are they not?
    
    Agreed that you can be more sure exactly what the adulterants are and even the exact ratios. But all this smoke and mirrors doesn't change my original point that to call somebody a junkie just for using heroin makes pretty much everybody a junkie.
    
    I mean there are many addicts who get pharmaceutical amps and use them all the time. Would you not consider them a junkie or even a heroin addict? According to you its not the same.
    
    
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    apparently you don't know what the difference is between active and inactive ingredients. Do more homework before you come at me, bro. You just look foolish. Oh, now you're all of a sudden being sarcastic...once I provided the truth. Convenient.
    
    I wasn't disputing anything about what makes a junkie a junky ...I was saying you should not have equated diamorphine to heroin. Thats all. Now you're trying to deflect and distract from my point. Do you want a meaningful discussion, or like usual are you just looking to troll?
18. 2019-04-19 at 3:04 PM UTC

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    Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]

    Originally posted by WellHung apparently you don't know what the difference is between active and inactive ingredients. Do more homework before you come at me, bro. You just look foolish. Oh, now you're all of a sudden being sarcastic…once I provided the truth. Convenient.
    
    I wasn't disputing anything about what makes a junkie a junky …I was saying you should not have equated diamorphine to heroin. Thats all. Now you're trying to deflect and distract from my point. Do you want a meaningful discussion, or like usual are you just looking to troll?

    
    Active ingredient you say?
    
    So what is the active ingredient in pharmaceutical heroin and what is the active ingredient in street heroin?
    
    
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19. 2019-04-19 at 3:05 PM UTC

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    Narc Naturally Camouflaged [connect my yokel-like scolytidae]
    And so your point was?
    
    
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20. 2019-04-19 at 3:17 PM UTC

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    Speedy Parker Black Hole

    Originally posted by -SpectraL You never see fat people who are chronically addicted to meth.

    
    One of the biggest meth heads I ever knew weighed over 300 lbs.