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Conflict Shitpile IV - Idlib Dawn Edition
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2018-09-18 at 8:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock those things are big and most SAMs dont have warheads large enough to completely destroy an aircraft of that size (unless a fuel tank detonates) which would give the crew time to squirt out a few 'maydayski maydayski's' which should have been on open frequencies to be heard by anyone. (the joke is the il-38 'MAY' is related to the missing aircraft)
Oh boy. It was an S-200 hit, apparently one of the jedi-16s used it as a shield.“The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,”
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2018-09-18 at 8:53 AM UTCI hope the response is Netenyahu getting punched in the neck and sent home in striped pyjamas.
The only suitable response is to fully close Syrian and Lebanese airspace to israel and recommence transfer of modern long-range SAM complexes to Syria and Iran. Regardless of whether they admit fault or try to make amends (they won't, especially not sincerely) it's been allowed to continue for far too long. -
2018-09-18 at 9:04 AM UTC
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2018-09-18 at 12:22 PM UTC
Israel Defense Forces
@IDFSpokesperson
Israel expresses sorrow for the death of the aircrew members of the Russian plane that was downed tonight due to Syrian anti-aircraft fire.
Israel holds the Assad regime, whose military shot down the Russian plane, fully responsible for this incident.
Choking them until they come crawling back, like Turkey, likely isn't an option here. -
2018-09-18 at 12:49 PM UTCThat is some high level kikery right there
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2018-09-20 at 6:25 AM UTCI'm finding the Russian political/military split interesting here - the MoD's official position is that the israeli jets used the Russian plane to mask their approach/escape and are responsible for it's downing, whereas Putin's made the vague statement that it 'looks like a tragic chain of circumstances', not blaming anyone in particular.
Anyway, HTS has rejected the Turkish plan to create a DMZ around Idlib proper, which means unless Turkey can get them under control by October 15, the Idlib operation will go ahead.
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2018-09-20 at 8:11 AM UTCI didn't realise HTS was a player in all this, is she looking for dudez for her armeys?
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2018-09-20 at 8:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'm finding the Russian political/military split interesting here - the MoD's official position is that the israeli jets used the Russian plane to mask their approach/escape and are responsible for it's downing, whereas Putin's made the vague statement that it 'looks like a tragic chain of circumstances', not blaming anyone in particular.
Anyway, HTS has rejected the Turkish plan to create a DMZ around Idlib proper, which means unless Turkey can get them under control by October 15, the Idlib operation will go ahead.
I'll write a longer summary of current events shortly.
if israel is dragged into this america would have no other choice but dig in and entrench deeper into this conflict. -
2018-09-20 at 3:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'm finding the Russian political/military split interesting here - the MoD's official position is that the israeli jets used the Russian plane to mask their approach/escape and are responsible for it's downing, whereas Putin's made the vague statement that it 'looks like a tragic chain of circumstances', not blaming anyone in particular.
Anyway, HTS has rejected the Turkish plan to create a DMZ around Idlib proper, which means unless Turkey can get them under control by October 15, the Idlib operation will go ahead.
I'll write a longer summary of current events shortly.
Assad wouldn't agree to such a plan, idlib is too strategic. Turkey wants a porous border to move personel and useful citizens back and forth and Assad wants full control of the north, especially since Idlib borders latakia. Idlib has been a thorn in his side and stuffed to the brim with extremists. A dmz would grant hts legitimacy so thankfully the terrorist scum have no sense and will be wiped off the map.
Are there even any hospitals left? I think it was a few months ago when there was a mass exodus of medical personel. I'll be happy to see it go, the humanitarian corridor is going to lead to Turkey and then likely to the refugee camps in traditionally Kurdish areas.
I wonder what erdogan is plotting on royajo and the pkk. I know it's gonna be bad hahaThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-09-20 at 3:46 PM UTCWhen Putin and Erdogan made that agreement, Assad gave his support but only tentatively - I think everyone but Erdogan agreed it would only be a temporary measure to try and make way for a political solution (there are plenty of groups in Idlib that want to negotiate but HTS and the media have been effectively suppressing them).
I thought the SAA's humanitarian corridor led East? Will have to check.
On the PKK, yeah lol. I suspect Erdogan's going to try to one-up himself after what he did to Cizre and this time the western media isn't going to whitewash it. I don't think he'll have to though - he won't make a real move against them while they're backed by the US, and once the US drops them they'll be forced to cut a deal with Assad (many of them already want to). In that circumstance I can see Erdogan threatening Syria militarily to hand over 'terrorists', extending the mess even further though -
2018-09-21 at 2:56 AM UTCOK, after reading a bunch of analyses and local reports, I think israel just tried to kick off WWIII.
Putin and Erdogan had just made an agreement to halt the Idlib operation so that Turkish forces could create a 20km DMZ around Idlib, stopping the 'rebels' from launching attacks on surrounding areas. Turkey was obviously trying to protect its assets, and it seems to me that everyone else (Russia, Iran and Syria) only considered it a temporary measure that was likely destined to fail. If it didn't, however, it could help create a political solution.
'Stopping' the Idlib operation spazzed out the west's (FUKUS, israel etc.) plans to accuse Assad's troops of war crimes (staged chemical weapons attacks as described previously) as a pretext to escalate the conflict. They'll likely arise again as Russian and independent sources indicate that recordings of 'gas attacks' have already been made, and in some circumstances children have been kidnapped and eventually returned after being used to make these videos.
israel absolutely wants Syria and, by extension, Iran, covered with cruise missiles and couldn't handle the setback. They seem to have made an agreement with France (which would not happen without the US' blessing) for one of their missile frigates to participate in an attack on a Syrian 'missile factory' (israel says it was manufacturing parts for Hezbullah missiles, Hez says it had nothing to do with them, domestic Syrian work).
Four israeli jets were launched to strike the factory in tandem with the French frigate, intentionally timing the strike as a Russian IL-20 was preparing to land - they struck the target, then essentially used the IL-20 as a shield against incoming SAMs as they made their escape.
The plan was for the Russian forces to sink the frigate in response - drawing in NATO forces under article 5 and escalating exponentially. They did not take the bait however, and israel has now lost a lot of ground - Russia now has grounds to essentially close Syrian airspace and is likely to deliver the S-300 and possibly S-400 units they previously planned to transfer.
Instead of making Russia/Syria/Iran look like the aggressor and create a greater conflict, they're rapidly losing the ability to safely conduct air raids in Syria.
This will not be the last attempt.
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2018-09-21 at 3:58 AM UTCThanks for that post, it's illuminating and informative and seems inspired by dexedrine as opposed to pregablin.
Is this the French frigate they wouldn't let Russia buy? Those are top of the line, I have to imagine they'd use a shittier one for bait. That's a pretty innovative ploy but Russia didn't fall for it when one of their jets were downed by Turkey. Putin doesn't react swiftly, they should really know they can't goud him into infringing on article 5. He literally sees it in his dreams.
Russia (Syria and iran) can only close Syrian airspace with the complicancy of the US. Israel has such a strong foothold in the south, they've been bringing jedis in along with medical personel in daraa since 2013 I think.
I don't know about macron being willing to sacrifice a ship in conjunction with Israel to fight a world war they would have very little to contribute to besides their navy. Maybe macrons just stupid then and that's why Trump gets along with him.
But you're right Israel fucked their chance at aerial legitimacy over Syria. Russia didn't react when Turkey shoots at their planes like skeets so they still have theirsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-09-21 at 4:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo Is this the French frigate they wouldn't let Russia buy?
Mistrals? No those were helicopter carriers, I'm not sure what actual ship this was, I'll check.Russia (Syria and iran) can only close Syrian airspace with the complicancy of the US. Israel has such a strong foothold in the south, they've been bringing jedis in along with medical personel in daraa since 2013 I think.
The main reason why israel tried to block Russia transferring S-300 systems is because the radar has enough range to cover the entirety of israel if parked in the south - warplanes could be detected and tracked as soon as they leave the airfield, and given the shared tracking network Russia implemented, targeting data could be passed along immediately.
Sure it's not the same as closing airspace entirely, but it makes airstrikes risky enough that they can't afford to attempt them.I don't know about macron being willing to sacrifice a ship in conjunction with Israel to fight a world war they would have very little to contribute to besides their navy. Maybe macrons just stupid then and that's why Trump gets along with him.
Macron's a fucking spastic. I don't think he offered the ship as a 'sacrifice', I think he was just asked to 'participate in an anti-terrorist operation' or something and it gave him a boner.
Keep in mind that France tried to participate in the last cruise missile fusillade, but two separate ships had 'technical difficulties' and were unable to perform. Macron likely jumped on this as an opportunity to prove that his ships actually could fire missiles. -
2018-09-21 at 6:49 AM UTCOh yeah, I forgot to mention (you probably already know if you followed the situation at all) - israeli command gave Russia warning of the strike on the deconfliction line... Less than one minute before the missiles were fired.
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2018-09-21 at 11:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra OK, after reading a bunch of analyses and local reports, I think israel just tried to kick off WWIII.
Putin and Erdogan had just made an agreement to halt the Idlib operation so that Turkish forces could create a 20km DMZ around Idlib, stopping the 'rebels' from launching attacks on surrounding areas. Turkey was obviously trying to protect its assets, and it seems to me that everyone else (Russia, Iran and Syria) only considered it a temporary measure that was likely destined to fail. If it didn't, however, it could help create a political solution.
'Stopping' the Idlib operation spazzed out the west's (FUKUS, israel etc.) plans to accuse Assad's troops of war crimes (staged chemical weapons attacks as described previously) as a pretext to escalate the conflict. They'll likely arise again as Russian and independent sources indicate that recordings of 'gas attacks' have already been made, and in some circumstances children have been kidnapped and eventually returned after being used to make these videos.
israel absolutely wants Syria and, by extension, Iran, covered with cruise missiles and couldn't handle the setback. They seem to have made an agreement with France (which would not happen without the US' blessing) for one of their missile frigates to participate in an attack on a Syrian 'missile factory' (israel says it was manufacturing parts for Hezbullah missiles, Hez says it had nothing to do with them, domestic Syrian work).
Four israeli jets were launched to strike the factory in tandem with the French frigate, intentionally timing the strike as a Russian IL-20 was preparing to land - they struck the target, then essentially used the IL-20 as a shield against incoming SAMs as they made their escape.
The plan was for the Russian forces to sink the frigate in response - drawing in NATO forces under article 5 and escalating exponentially. They did not take the bait however, and israel has now lost a lot of ground - Russia now has grounds to essentially close Syrian airspace and is likely to deliver the S-300 and possibly S-400 units they previously planned to transfer.
Instead of making Russia/Syria/Iran look like the aggressor and create a greater conflict, they're rapidly losing the ability to safely conduct air raids in Syria.
This will not be the last attempt.
All US media is reporting on another mass shooting
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2018-09-21 at 11:16 AM UTCConvenient...
I don't watch local news, check websites sometimes but their articles on wars we're participating in (overtly or covertly) are so slanted it's absurd. They might put yours to shame. I think I posted that SBS aired a documentary on the war in Syria a few weeks ago and my girlfriend turned it off because I kept getting mad and talking about why everything they were saying was wrong.
Later on I looked it up, and it turns out the whole thing was pure propaganda, from the narrative itself to the 'scenes of destruction' - most of the footage of the 'regime's' airstrikes destroying houses were actually filmed in Gaza during the last Operation Ironic Name when israel was bombing the fuck out of everything.
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2018-09-22 at 6:37 PM UTCTerrorist attack in Iran; several spectators opened fire at a military parade killing 25 and injuring 50. A group called al-Ahvaziya took responsibility - I've not heard of it before, but it's apparently bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and has had ties with US intelligence and Mossad in the past.
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2018-09-22 at 6:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Terrorist attack in Iran; several spectators opened fire at a military parade killing 25 and injuring 50. A group called al-Ahvaziya took responsibility - I've not heard of it before, but it's apparently bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and has had ties with US intelligence and Mossad in the past.
you already said it but i guarantee this was orchestrated by kikes...not necessarily mossysod...but the kikes nonetheless.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
