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2018-06-04 at 2:45 AM UTCUsed to be his father?
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2018-06-04 at 3:30 AM UTCHe broke up with me via text message a month ago so....past tense. S
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2018-06-04 at 3:31 AM UTCThe indecency.
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2018-06-04 at 3:59 AM UTCLIVE AND LET DIE DANANANANANANANA
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2018-06-04 at 5:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER No he's genuinely fucked in the head from never leaving his apartment for a decade. I used to be his father. I had high hopes for him, but he refuses to take even the most basic steps at a healthy fulfilling life. And he wants to couch all this gay suicide talk in some kind of "philosophy". I guess now I know how everyone felt listening to me whine about being a heroin addict for 12 years.
You were never as bad as malice is now.
Originally posted by Malice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollyanna_principle
I really doubt you're particularly happy the vast majority of the time. At best people achieve a fairly mild feeling of contentedness or hygge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygge
But strong feelings tend to be rare.
Do you really generally enjoy school, work, maintaining your body, chores etc.?
It's very possible that never seeing positive role models for a fulfilling life profoundly messed me up, but what exactly do you do that makes life worth living?
I simply see no meaning in this and greatly dislike the endless striving toward happiness.
- Humans want things
- “Suffering” is when humans want what they don’t have
- Therefore, wanting creates suffering
- “Happiness” is when we get what we want
- We tend to swing back toward boredom or even pain due to the hedonic treadmill
- We’ll always want something, even after we get it
- Therefore, we can never be truly happy
I also seem to derive much less pleasure from life than normal, with my baseline state containing more suffering. The positive aspects of life are lower while the negative are amplified.
I simply see this as the world's greatest fool's errand.
It's not like my life is just awesome all the time. I just find myself able to take pleasure in the little things.
From the moment I woke up until now, I have been content all day. Inevitably, yes, I will do some things I don't want to do. But I do them and still feel content in knowing it's for a purpose, and that I have other people there who I can bond with.
Happiness is a choice, malice. You can choose to find misery in every little thing, or you can enjoy your life for what it is and try to do things to change it. I could sit around complaining all fucking day. I need more money. My girlfriend is being annoying. The car i drive is a piece of shit. My ecig broke a few days ago. I don't get enough sleep because of my hectic schedule.
But fuck all that. None of those things really, actually matter. What matters is people and hobbies and learning and exploring. That's what makes me happy. That's what I live for.
I used to not get any pleasure from any of these things. At least not to the extent I do now. I think making the decision to be more active helped. I'm never doing one thing for long. I get really antsy when I have a few days off work and just spend it at home.
I don't know. I used to be socially anxious/incredibly depressed. Sometimes suicidal. I stayed at home all day jacking off, doing drugs, and generally wasting my life. I made a decision to change. It was not easy, I wanted so back to revert in my useless hermit-hood. But I tried and kept trying and now I'm content. Completely comfortable with my life and the direction it's headed in. More than that though, I'm proud of myself.
I know you could find similar feelings if you actually put yourself out there and did something with your life. Go connect with people and find hobbies and goals that make you feel accomplished. Actively try to stop thinking so negatively. Focus on the things in your life that are enjoyable.
Right now, this couch is amazing. It's leather and cool on my skin. I sink right in. Got my bare feet stretched out onto the table, whiskey in hand, full belly, it's fucking great. I could be upset because i dont love my job, or because i have a stressful event coming up. I could bitch that im sore instead of enjoying the fulfilling physical feeling of this tiny pain. I could complain about running out of the hummus and bacon i wanted on my burger. I could feel very defeated and down right now, but I'm not, because none of that shit is worth letting it effect me.
I do still get anxious and depressed, everyone does, but it is considerably better now than it ever was. I'm actually a bit worried about my promotion. I'm being dropped in without really knowing what the fuck I'm doing. But I know it'll work out. Everything almost always works out. -
2018-06-04 at 7:06 AM UTCIt's like heroin. People suffer so much, sacrifice their ideals, modulate critical aspects of their identity, sell their freedom,, put in so much soul crushing effort, for the chance something so fleeting, and as the years go by the novelty lessens, the pains of a physical body increase, constant changes on a downward trajectory.
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2018-06-04 at 7:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER Idk man. Today was a gorgeous day in LA. If you can't just step outside on a day like today and feel the sun on your face, and smell a barbecue and fresh cut grass on the air, and feel the life all around you and just feel grateful for that little moment- that little snippet of experience- I don't know what to tell you. As long as you perpetuate negative emotions, your experience will be negative. As soon as you make the choice to be proactive and hopeful, you'll begin to experience a change. Or hell maybe your right and you simply don't have the neurotransmitters to experience happiness, joy, empathy, wonder, love, anticipation, wanderlust, etc. you've never been happy right? in which case do as you will.
It's not about happiness. There are rational reasons to commit suicide even if you are genuinely happy.
And I don't think the world has ever felt the way you describe it, CASPER. You know the suicide rate among people with high functioning forms of autism is one of the highest among any disorder, even among children? Being comorbid with depression and anxiety multiply that risk, which I've had lifelong problems with.
It probably is neurologically based, but I need to be clear when I say that even if I was a very happy reclusive monk in a third world country I would still see reasons to commit suicide regardless of whether you are happy. It is completely absurd to assume that suicide is not rationally justifiable. Here's a paper on it that no one will read: http://jiwoonhwang.org/pro-mortalism/
It's like attempting to solve and equation. If the solution is suicide, it should be accepted without fear. -
2018-06-04 at 7:16 AM UTCi broke my leg
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2018-06-04 at 7:23 AM UTCCompletely missing the point. I do not see happiness as a sole reason to live that stands up to scrutiny.
I'm thinking of leaving a sign that says, "So long, suckers!" to get the point across. It reminds me of this description of the standard life I read:
People are expected to pretend that they have kids or a kid because they love kids or something of that sort. In reality most of the cases it is a way to deal with aging and light depression and general aimlessness of life. But it is one of the things you can't say.
By light depression I mean not really having any goals in life. I find it actually normal, but I know in an American context that counts as light depression. But basically I mean being a normal kid who did what he was told, schoolwork, etc. and then the rest of the time enjoyed standard entertainment like videogames. And then a young adult, who did what he was told, like working a job, and then enjoyed standard entertainment, like going out to bars.
And seriously I think does not work past 30. You just get too old or too fat or all the accumulated toxins of 3AM kebabs or whatever, but most people want to slow down and get off the party train around 30.
At that point, if you have no personal goals, you just do what you are told and consume standardly offered entertainment (normal thing in Central Europe, probably counts as light depression in America, living without any dream), what is there for you? Work a job go home watch TV? Getting older and sicker every year? At that point you either really find a hobby, passion or dream, a reason to live - I find it unlikely - or it is straight down to crisis.
Or you can just start a family. At least that is the default, standard, socially respectable thing to do, it both helps your self-esteem (parents are respected people) and basically you can just delegate the job of finding a meaning in life to your kids. Find a 30 years old woman who is "ready to settle now with a nice guy", don't enquire too much about how many sexy bad-boy penis was inside her, marry, have a kid, after that sex life will likely stop so having a second kid is less likely, and you both will find the first 2-3 years so annoying that you don't want another anyway. Having kids for this reason not for actually liking kids likely contributes a lot to low birth rates here.
After around 3 years or so the kid stops being high maintenance. You give her a plate of whatever food you are eating and tell her to eat it up or stay hungry, you can play games that are actually fun like shooting each other with nerf stuff, and you can just tell them to go play alone or the neighbor kids because you want to play videogames or watch TV.
In many ways, the "beta" father is a similar loser as the the "beta" 4chan forevervirgin, but still has a better life. Having a family is some kind of a purpose. Having a wife and having reproduced is no longer utter sexual loserdom. Sex likely stopped and she gets her kicks from chocolate and romantic novels and you are not even sure you want to sex up her now obese body anyway, but at least you get kisses and kindness and homecooked food. You can play your videogames or fuck around on 4chan but you can also play a round of shooting nerf with the kid or chat a bit with your wife with wine. It is an improved way to live a loser pointless lightly depressed life certainly.
This is good advice, at least if you lack the strength to actually turn your life around (likely because you have no special desires other than just having okay jobs and entertainment), but it is something very hard to talk about as it sounds so low status.
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Suicide should be far more common than it currently is and not seen as something negative. There are many thought experiments you can create to demonstrate that happiness alone is not a sufficient reason to live for people who accept certain viewpoints. What if you were born a biological carnivore in an era without artificial meat or any viable alternative and wanted to end your life simply due to the immense suffering and death you would cause throughout your life. -
2018-06-04 at 7:26 AM UTCbo dindy
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2018-06-04 at 8:01 AM UTCMalice how old were you when you moved out? Did you graduate high school? When did you last have a real friend?
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2018-06-04 at 12:49 PM UTCI want to putt putt my butt butt
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2018-06-04 at 1:43 PM UTCI wanna die but never be found
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2018-06-04 at 5:49 PM UTC
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2018-06-04 at 6:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by Malice It's not about happiness. There are rational reasons to commit suicide even if you are genuinely happy.
And I don't think the world has ever felt the way you describe it, CASPER. You know the suicide rate among people with high functioning forms of autism is one of the highest among any disorder, even among children? Being comorbid with depression and anxiety multiply that risk, which I've had lifelong problems with.
It probably is neurologically based, but I need to be clear when I say that even if I was a very happy reclusive monk in a third world country I would still see reasons to commit suicide regardless of whether you are happy. It is completely absurd to assume that suicide is not rationally justifiable. Here's a paper on it that no one will read: http://jiwoonhwang.org/pro-mortalism/
It's like attempting to solve and equation. If the solution is suicide, it should be accepted without fear.
A cursory read of that thing seems like earlier death to avoid pain is preferable. It seems to account for a normal human life with generalized milestones for pain and pleasure events. They don't take into account someone otherwise healthy and fit in mind and body, whose pain is almost entirely self imposed, and a result of unwillingness or fear of taking part. And if you were to actually to apply yourself to something, you might find a joy in service and usefulness. Not to mention the amount of attention, money, effort that went into growing you to your current state.
Ugh. This is so fucking tedious. Lol. At this point it seems like a rhetorical argument more than anything. -
2018-06-04 at 6:36 PM UTCya know you were right earlier y'all have been doing this for a decade
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2018-06-04 at 6:37 PM UTC
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2018-06-04 at 6:37 PM UTCHey, Malice, you should post your bodybuilding-days picture and get some egoboostin from the ladies here. You must have super low Test right now.
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2018-06-04 at 6:38 PM UTCweird fa sho
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2018-06-04 at 6:42 PM UTC
