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2018-05-06 at 3:45 AM UTCTest
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2018-05-06 at 4:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery It causes so much physical damage to the body. Heroin is virtually harmless physically. Meth also causes acute damage to the mind, both cognitive functions and mental health.
People get almost insulted when you mention this. They can't possibly believe HEROIN could be safe, but it's probably one of the safest recreational substances around.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-06 at 4:09 AM UTC
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2018-05-06 at 4:28 AM UTCShit go hard son
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2018-05-06 at 5:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by gumbo People get almost insulted when you mention this. They can't possibly believe HEROIN could be safe, but it's probably one of the safest recreational substances around.
"Safe" is kind of a misleading term considering the respiratory depression, numerous commonly lethal interactions, and high potential for addiction. Autoerotic asphyxiation is perfectly "safe" and has minimal long term effects as long as it's conducted according to an appropriate protocol but that's not really the same thing as being safe per se. -
2018-05-06 at 5:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny "Safe" is kind of a misleading term considering the respiratory depression, numerous commonly lethal interactions, and high potential for addiction.
paracetamol can be lethal or cause permanent damage if you overdo it or use a bad combination - it's not the drug's fault if you choose to ignore directions.
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2018-05-06 at 5:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny "Safe" is kind of a misleading term considering the respiratory depression, numerous commonly lethal interactions, and high potential for addiction. Autoerotic asphyxiation is perfectly "safe" and has minimal long term effects as long as it's conducted according to an appropriate protocol but that's not really the same thing as being safe per se.
Yeah, but it's safe in the sense that in and of itself, doing a dose of heroin will not harm your body. Damage from addiction or withdrawal is different. Meth has an immediate toxic effect on the heart, brain, and other organs. Heroin does not cause damage like that. The real concern is addiction, most of the damage there being in regard to the user's life as far as finances and relationships. Withdrawal also causes damage from the shock to one's system, which is not the drug itself causing the damage. A single dose simply doesn't harm the body. Even alcohol harms literally every single organ in the human body. What other drug can we honestly say causes virtually none? -
2018-05-06 at 5:58 AM UTCHas anyone heard anything, any explanation at all, about why Enter TSTM'd? It really is weird that he just vanished like that with no explanation or warning, and as cliche as it is becoming to speculate on these DateHookup newbies being his alts, it really is a weird coincidence. Regardless, why in the hell did he just disappear out of nowhere and why in the hell is absolutely nobody discussing it?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-05-06 at 6 AM UTCOn a semi-unrelated note, this Google voice-to-text shit is surprisingly accurate. I never really used it on my old phone, and when I did it was pretty shitty, but I'm using a Samsung Galaxy J3, and my old phone was a ZTE Maven either 2 or 3, and it is surprisingly accurate and convenient on this one.
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2018-05-06 at 6:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery Has anyone heard anything, any explanation at all, about why Enter TSTM'd? It really is weird that he just vanished like that with no explanation or warning, and as cliche as it is becoming to speculate on these DateHookup newbies being his alts, it really is a weird coincidence. Regardless, why in the hell did he just disappear out of nowhere and why in the hell is absolutely nobody discussing it?
I agree. Also I rather miss his insane woman hating rant threads. That nigga did make some fly ass threads I will give him that.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-06 at 6:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra paracetamol can be lethal or cause permanent damage if you overdo it or use a bad combination - it's not the drug's fault if you choose to ignore directions.
Yes, many common drugs involve some level of risk. It's not cyanide's "fault" that it's toxic and it's 100% "safe" if you stick to the recommended intake of none, this doesn't really mean it's reasonable it say cyanide itself is safe. The risk involved in any drug is more complex than "how many people die or are injured by following directions while taking it". MAOIs are a great example of a class of drugs that, when taking strictly according to protocol, are quite safe but which have a high potential for harm and which clinicians are accordingly generally reserved about prescribing. Given that:Addiction is the real standout for potential harm
And given that addiction frequently leads to risky patterns of use (e.g. escalating doses in response to tolerance, use in tandem with other drugs due to hesitation to go through withdrawls or in the case of multi-substance abuse) it seems like a stretch to call heroin a "safe" drug. And this remains true even if you ignore the realities of black market opiates and assume potency and composition is wholly consistent and securing opiates is as safe as say, buying OTC medication. -
2018-05-06 at 6:07 AM UTCYou're getting hung up on the semantics of the word "safe". The point is it does not directly on its own cause physical damage to the body.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-05-06 at 6:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery Yeah, but it's safe in the sense that in and of itself, doing a dose of heroin will not harm your body. Damage from addiction or withdrawal is different.
I acknowledge this, but as mentioned, that's not really the full criteria by which we judge if a drug is safe or not.Meth has an immediate toxic effect on the heart, brain, and other organs.
I mean I'm not saying meth is safe, but can you cite a source on this? I'm not saying it's not true but if you get to can say "heroin is non-toxic" because it doesn't induce at respiratory failure and some doses, then saying meth is toxic would mean there is no dose at which it doesn't cause some damage. Of course common usage patterns make stimulant abuse neuro-toxic due to sleep deprivation if nothing else, and CNS stimulants cause the heart to work harder, but relatively small increases in heart rate or dopamine availability is doesn't seem intrinsically toxic. -
2018-05-06 at 6:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery You're getting hung up on the semantics of the word "safe". The point is it does not directly on its own cause physical damage to the body.
I'm not sure I'm hung up on it, the meaning of the term safe is my central point here. I don't see anyone ITT arguing heroin is directly toxic. I think we all already knew this. I do see at least one person arguing heroin is safe, and I don't think this is a reasonable claim. -
2018-05-06 at 6:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery It causes so much physical damage to the body. Heroin is virtually harmless physically. Meth also causes acute damage to the mind, both cognitive functions and mental health.
Originally posted by gumbo People get almost insulted when you mention this. They can't possibly believe HEROIN could be safe, but it's probably one of the safest recreational substances around.
Originally posted by Lanny "Safe" is kind of a misleading term considering the respiratory depression, numerous commonly lethal interactions, and high potential for addiction. Autoerotic asphyxiation is perfectly "safe" and has minimal long term effects as long as it's conducted according to an appropriate protocol but that's not really the same thing as being safe per se.
This is how the conversation started. In direct response to me saying it doesn't harm the body. You're the one who immediately turned it into a debate on the meaning of the word safe. I highly doubt §m£ÂgØL meant that it's safe in any of the ways that you're arguing against. He was just commenting on my statement that it is harmless to the body, unlike meth. -
2018-05-06 at 6:59 AM UTCYes. I meant that it is safe in that if you, as an adult, take pure heroin in recreational doses through a safe ROA everyday for the rest of your life, you will not suffer any negative effects other than maybe some low testosterone levels.
There are very few drugs which you can take everyday like this with such negligible effects on long term health. Even smoking weed introduces carcinogens like polycyclic hydrocarbons and benzenes to the body. But for whatever reason, people think it's perfectly safe.
The point is, you COULD be responsible with it and be completely safe in a way that you cannot with many other drugs. I don't know why you always have to get all nitty gritty, Lanny. We've been over this before. You knew exactly what I meant.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-06 at 7 AM UTCdope is super safe guys, beers for queers - do herawin!The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-05-06 at 7 AM UTCHeroin also causes some hellacious constipationThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-05-06 at 7:07 AM UTC
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2018-05-06 at 7:19 AM UTC
Originally posted by gumbo Yes. I meant that it is safe in that if you, as an adult, take pure heroin in recreational doses through a safe ROA everyday for the rest of your life, you will not suffer any negative effects other than maybe some low testosterone levels.
So do you consider chemical dependence to not be a negative effect?
Do you agree with what §m£ÂgØL is saying here LSD, aldra?
Originally posted by gumbo The point is, you COULD be responsible with it and be completely safe in a way that you cannot with many other drugs. I don't know why you always have to get all nitty gritty, Lanny. We've been over this before. You knew exactly what I meant.
We have been over this before, in the context of blanket legalization of recreational heroin use. It's because you've used the "safety" of heroin use as justification for it's legalization that I bring it up at all. Equivocating on the idea of the safety of a drug was a major part of your argument, which is why I pointed out that heroin is not at all safe in the way we would call something like aspirin a relatively safe drug.
