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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat

  1. Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by Lanny Exactly correct, which is why your argument is vacuous. You'll notice no one said "everything with something that sorta looks like a nervous system if you squint at it right has moral right", simply that the absence of one is a reasonable criterion for exclusion from moral considerability. Capacity to suffer or experience utility is the relevant metric, plants do not possess these qualities.

    You should stop using the word moral until you know what it means.
  2. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Speedy Parker You should stop using the word moral until you know what it means.



    You should stop using the word moral until you know what it means.
  3. Originally posted by Lanny Also why don't you respond to the rest of that post?

    Because you yourself admit that if I don't think about stuff then I won't understand it, and if I don't understand it your constructed morality doesn't apply to me.

    Same way as your moral rules and continuously expanding list of moral obligations doesn't apply to a fox, or even to low IQ/uneducated humans.
  4. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Issue313 Because you yourself admit that if I don't think about stuff then I won't understand it, and if I don't understand it your constructed morality doesn't apply to me.

    Same way as your moral rules and continuously expanding list of moral obligations doesn't apply to a fox, or even to low IQ/uneducated humans.

    That's, uhh, not how it works
  5. -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    Originally posted by Issue313 Pain is an illusion and your belief system is a tissue of lies.

    Not at all. The sensation of pain results from a clearly defined mechanical process. That mechanical process is missing in plant and microbial life forms, therefore they do not feel pain at all.
  6. Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by Lanny You should stop using the word moral until you know what it means.

    What a clever lil sport. He learned to mimic.
  7. Originally posted by Lanny That's, uhh, not how it works

    You're the one who's adopted an "opt-out" moral frame.

    Haven't you noticed that if you are stupid, mean and nasty enough the moral rules don't apply to you?

    For instance if I cut an animals throat and let it bleed out, I'd be jailed for animal cruelty. Yet kosher/halal slaughter is legal.
  8. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by Lanny I'm pretty sure in a 13 page thread that this has been addressed several times before now but the salient feature of non-human members of the animal kingdom that make them morally considerable is their capacity to suffer or <feel pleasure/experience eudaimonia/satisfy preferences>. A carrot has no nervous system, it can not feel pain, it has no notion of pleasure. Animals like cows are clearly capable experiencing pain, suffering, depression.

    nobody knows that as a matter of fact for sure. microorganisms react to stimulis and how they perceive these stimulations has yet to be fully understood.

    the ''no nervous system, no feeling'' argument can also be used for ''different nervous system, different feeling'' and as such, since a cow has a nervous system not 100% similar to ours ....

    maybe it'll perceive and feel the simulation of cold sharp knife slitting its throat a slightly differently from us having out throat slit.

    maybe its just feeling a little itch and annoyed and frustrated it can no longer moo when it wants to becos the gases are escaping thru the gaping wound in its throat, but farr from suffering.

    theres a youtube video of a cow losing its entire face / half if its head for unknown reason .... it kept me pondering for a long time ... trying to empathize ...
  9. infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Issue313 For instance if I cut an animals throat and let it bleed out, I'd be jailed for animal cruelty. Yet kosher/halal slaughter is legal.

    not anywhere that i know of

    thats how you are SUPPOSED to drain its circulatory system
  10. Originally posted by benny vader theres a youtube video of a cow losing its entire face / half if its head for unknown reason …. it kept me pondering for a long time … trying to empathize …
    It was hit by a train.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe8_1315439502

    Originally posted by infinityshock not anywhere that i know of

    thats how you are SUPPOSED to drain its circulatory system

    Maybe so but it's still a fairly shitty thing to do to a living animal. There's no reason not to reduce the suffering.

    Although some of these middle eastern religions get off on inflicting suffering and humiliation.
  11. infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Issue313 It was hit by a train.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe8_1315439502



    Maybe so but it's still a fairly shitty thing to do to a living animal. There's no reason not to reduce the suffering.

    Although some of these middle eastern religions get off on inflicting suffering and humiliation.

    there is no pain in exsanguination
  12. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by Issue313 It was hit by a train.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe8_1315439502

    yea ... but i always doubt the authenticity of video titles.

    but the thing is ... does it look like its suffering to you ??? becos it dont to me, like its dazed and maybe a little confused, but it really dont look like its in pain. or anything.
  13. infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Issue313 It was hit by a train.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe8_1315439502

    this is where the zombie apocalypse starts...
  14. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by infinityshock this is where the zombie apocalypse starts…

    only nigger apocalypse for you.
  15. infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by benny vader only nigger apocalypse for you.

    it was a cow, retard.

    go play with your see-and-say
  16. Originally posted by benny vader but the thing is … does it look like its suffering to you ??? becos it dont to me, like its dazed and maybe a little confused, but it really dont look like its in pain. or anything.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=170_1396117152

    This guy doesn't look to be in pain either.
  17. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by Issue313 You're the one who's adopted an "opt-out" moral frame.

    Haven't you noticed that if you are stupid, mean and nasty enough the moral rules don't apply to you?

    Wong. There's a difference between capacity-tested and will-tested models of moral responsibility. Notably the latter, which you're representing as being mine, doesn't actually exist.

    For instance if I cut an animals throat and let it bleed out, I'd be jailed for animal cruelty. Yet kosher/halal slaughter is legal.

    Read this again, and what I've posted in this thread, and tell me you actually think this represents a valid criticism of the position I've said so far.
  18. Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by Lanny Wong. There's a difference between capacity-tested and will-tested models of moral responsibility. Notably the latter, which you're representing as being mind, doesn't actually exist.



    Read this again, and what I've posted in this thread, and tell me you actually think this represents a valid criticism of the position I've said so far.

    You are talking about ethics not morals you dumbass
  19. NARCassist gollums fat coach
    what about all the tiny insects that get embedded in fruit and veg?



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  20. NARCassist gollums fat coach
    if you gotta problem with killing animals then don't bother killing them first.





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