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2018-02-15 at 11:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Vizier Who gives a shit if you have free will or not?
Well, take the people in the gore video. Or the guy who just shot up a high school.
If free will exists that means events like this will never be predictable or preventable. Basically anyone could just decide to start killing people for no reason.
But we already know the world isn't really like that. Every thought that goes through a persons mind and every action they perform is the result of a chain of cause and effect. If we were to collect and study enough of the data, eventually we could literally cure the world of "evil". We could prevent these things from happening. We could predict these events before they occured, and stop them from happening. Because a persons thoughts and behaviors are caused by things we can measure and study. Because free will is an illusion. -
2018-02-16 at 12:45 AM UTCShut the fuck up.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-02-16 at 7:26 AM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 8:56 AM UTCah, sir yorick, I stabbed him well
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2018-02-16 at 9:01 AM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 9:05 AM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 9:58 AM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 12:21 PM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 4:35 PM UTCSeriously how do you people still believe in free will?
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2018-02-16 at 4:43 PM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 4:46 PM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 4:47 PM UTCI find it peculiar obbe is so adamant about being right on this when he admitted himself free will is incoherent and it's actually not possible to be objectively right in defining it.
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2018-02-16 at 4:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Science already has predicted peoples choices in an experiment. I already posted a link to this. Free will doesn't exist.
Even though I cannot personally predict your decisions without monitoring your brain activity we both know that you do not intend or have influence over the various events that cause you to make a particular decision. To claim your will is unaffected by influences outside of it is to claim you are a magical being.
So let's get this straight: a few scientists conducted a single study which included a handful of participants, and you're ready to extrapolate these results to establish a universal principle that every being that will ever be can never act spontaneously? -
2018-02-16 at 4:57 PM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 5:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind It's not true just because I'm saying it; it's true because free will doesn't make any sense, and the evidence backs it up.
Does the evidence not back it up?
If you look for evidence supporting your theory then that is what you shall find.
Prove to me that what you say is true and you will soon learn the difficulty of actually proving things.
You get your information from the internet and life experience, which is what we do as well. What makes your source more reliable than ours? Did you participate yourself in whatever experiments and debates were made? At best, you only "know" 5% of what you actually know because you can only prove 5% of what you know. Every other piece of accepted information you have accumulated at this point comes from people who in effect persuaded you with language to believe in what they say, without you ever having any personal experience in the subject yourself.
Bring me your best evidence that disproves free will, and then give me your best evidence to support free will.
If you can't look at things from both sides evenly and unbiased then you have nothing to contribute with. -
2018-02-16 at 6:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Xlite Bring me your best evidence that disproves free will, and then give me your best evidence to support free will.
If you can't look at things from both sides evenly and unbiased then you have nothing to contribute with.
thats a paradox.
you just can go to a gun show, set up a stall and peddle, on one hand, the all penetrating ammo that can and will penetrate anything and then on the other peddle the all stopping armor that will stop any and all projectiles.
thats worse then grayfox peddling knives, only knives and nothing but knives at gun shows. -
2018-02-16 at 6:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader thats a paradox.
you just can go to a gun show, set up a stall and peddle, on one hand, the all penetrating ammo that can and will penetrate anything and then on the other peddle the all stopping armor that will stop any and all projectiles.
thats worse then grayfox peddling knives, only knives and nothing but knives at gun shows.
But you CAN do both those things, and in doing so, will learn which one is truer than the other. -
2018-02-16 at 6:20 PM UTC
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2018-02-16 at 7:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Xlite If you look for evidence supporting your theory then that is what you shall find.
Prove to me that what you say is true and you will soon learn the difficulty of actually proving things.
You get your information from the internet and life experience, which is what we do as well. What makes your source more reliable than ours? Did you participate yourself in whatever experiments and debates were made? At best, you only "know" 5% of what you actually know because you can only prove 5% of what you know. Every other piece of accepted information you have accumulated at this point comes from people who in effect persuaded you with language to believe in what they say, without you ever having any personal experience in the subject yourself.
Bring me your best evidence that disproves free will, and then give me your best evidence to support free will.
If you can't look at things from both sides evenly and unbiased then you have nothing to contribute with.
I've already given my best evidence that free will does not exist. I have not seen any evidence that free will does exist. I think I am looking at things pretty evenly and unbiased; it was only a few years ago that I was arguing with Lanny that free will exists. I have recently changed my opinion. Based on the best evidence available.
But even ignoring the best evidence we have available, free will still doesn't make sense. You are not authoring your thoughts before you think them. You are not picking and choosing your intentions and desires. All your thoughts and behaviors are the result of a chain of cause and effect that you have no influence over. We know this. Knowing this, how can you still believe in free will? -
2018-02-16 at 7:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I find it peculiar obbe is so adamant about being right on this when he admitted himself free will is incoherent and it's actually not possible to be objectively right in defining it.
What a quaint fella.
Free will is incoherent - that's why you shouldn't believe in it. Same reason you don't believe that your cat is an iguana that you gave birth to you and that he taught you English.
