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  1. Originally posted by Open Your Mind That's the thing though - there is nothing wrong with my argument. It is logically sound. You might disagree with how I use the term "free will", as I disagree with how you use it, but that's about it. You already admitted



    Which is basically exactly what I'm saying.

    Are you trying to prove that you're retarded? This whole discussion hasn't been about whether or not physical determinism is a thing. We both agreed at the outset. The contention is about what "free will" is and whether or not that's a thing. Your conception of it is nonsensical. Mine is perfectly coherent.
  2. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Your conception is stupid. It completely ignores the problem of free will and changes the topic from free will to freedom to exert your will.
  3. Originally posted by Open Your Mind Your conception is stupid. It completely ignores the problem of free will and changes the topic from free will to freedom to exert your will.

    My conception is that your will is free if it's free from the compulsion of any other agent. Ez. Yours makes no sense.
  4. Vizier Tuskegee Airman [spic of the devil]
    How fast would you lose your shit if you had to talk to Obbe irl about anything?
  5. Originally posted by Vizier How fast would you lose your shit if you had to talk to Obbe irl about anything?

    I have he basic social awareness required to steer away from philosophical discussion
  6. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon My conception is that your will is free if it's free from the compulsion of any other agent.

    Ignoring the problem of free will and changing the topic to "freedom to exert your will".
  7. Originally posted by Open Your Mind Ignoring the problem of free will and changing the topic to "freedom to exert your will".

    Read that again. If you still don't understand, take a athletic abilities course. Then read it again. Repeat.
  8. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Doesn't matter how many times I read it, it will always ignore the problem of free will and change the topic to "freedom to exert your will".
  9. Originally posted by Open Your Mind Doesn't matter how many times I read it, it will always ignore the problem of free will and change the topic to "freedom to exert your will".

    Is your will formed free of compulsion by another agent?
  10. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon Is your will formed free of compulsion by another agent?

    No I don't think it is. Do you believe your genetic information formed spontaneously and that the environment you've been exposed to your entire life is free of compulsion from other agents?
  11. Originally posted by Open Your Mind No I don't think it is. Do you believe your genetic information formed spontaneously and that the environment you've been exposed to your entire life is free of compulsion from other agents?

    Aaaaand once again, you do not understand agency.
  12. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon Aaaaand once again, you do not understand agency.

    Agency has nothing to do with it. Once again, you're trying to change the topic to "freedom to exert your will".
  13. Originally posted by Open Your Mind Agency has nothing to do with it. Once again, you're trying to change the topic to "freedom to exert your will".

    Agency has everything to do with whether or not your will has been formed under compulsion by another agent or it's exertion has been compelled one way or the other by another agent. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so.
  14. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon Agency has everything to do with whether or not your will has been formed under compulsion by another agent or it's exertion has been compelled one way or the other by another agent. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so.

    So do you believe your genetic information formed spontaneously and that the environment you've been exposed to your entire life is free of compulsion from other agents?

    When you were a child and your mom called you a good boy for acting one way and a bad boy for acting another way, do you believe that has had zero effect on how you behave now? Do you believe the media has zero effect on how you behave now? Do you believe my next response has zero effect on your next response?
  15. Originally posted by Open Your Mind So do you believe your genetic information formed spontaneously

    No, but that doesn't involve agency.

    and that the environment you've been exposed to your entire life is free of compulsion from other agents?

    No, because not all your will is free. But it can be.

    When you were a child and your mom called you a good boy for acting one way and a bad boy for acting another way, do you believe that has had zero effect on how you behave now? Do you believe the media has zero effect on how you behave now? Do you believe my next response has zero effect on your next response?

    It doesn't have to have zero effect on what you do now: there is no requirement that you don't ever learn or change by compulsion of other agents.
  16. Vizier Tuskegee Airman [spic of the devil]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon I have he basic social awareness required to steer away from philosophical discussion


  17. Daily an(nu)ally [dissolutely whisk the pantheon]
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon The way you act is a result of your genetics responding to the environment.

    Captain Falcon the type of nigga to say shit like this while denying the objective, mathematical, consistent fact that different genes are selected for different populations evolving in different ecological climates while facing different selection pressures for tens of thousands of years.

    You know nothing about behavioural genetics and you should probably shut the fuck up. You're okay but I cringe when you act like you've read past a Vox article written by a Black woman about human evolution. I know it's an imperative to deny genetic racial differences when you and all of your friends are Pakistani but your anecdotal experiences literally mean jack shit in the objective material world of biological organisms. The fact that you are blind to to something which can be concluded using nothing but inductive reasoning makes us all question the validity of your other "intellectual" claims.

    "Didn't read" = I read it but I can't refute it.
  18. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by Daily Captain Falcon the type of nigga to say shit like this while denying the objective, mathematical, consistent fact that different genes are selected for different populations evolving in different ecological climates while facing different selection pressures for tens of thousands of years.

    You know nothing about behavioural genetics and you should probably shut the fuck up. You're okay but I cringe when you act like you've read past a Vox article written by a Black woman about human evolution. I know it's an imperative to deny genetic racial differences when you and all of your friends are Pakistani but your anecdotal experiences literally mean jack shit in the objective material world of biological organisms. The fact that you are blind to to something which can be concluded using nothing but inductive reasoning makes us all question the validity of your other "intellectual" claims.

    "Didn't read" = I read it but I can't refute it.

    but genetically speaking ... arent you quite close to pakistanis and india indians ???
  19. Daily an(nu)ally [dissolutely whisk the pantheon]
    Originally posted by benny vader but genetically speaking … arent you quite close to pakistanis and india indians ???

    Reported for pedophilia.
  20. Originally posted by Daily Reported for pedophilia.

    The world is an island goyim. At the lowest level are the people who seek the החוף, the beach. They are the laziest and most useles. Just above them are the people who swim in th ovean. They are the שַׂחְיָנִים, whose who swim in sin. They have bountiful fish and broad rivers. Most of this forum fall into this category, even the fake jedis.

    At the peak are the יהודי זקן, the mountain jedi. We sit at the peak, and decide directly who will be allowed into heaven and who will go into sheol. If you have ever heard of St. Peter, that is basically who we are.

    We recently moved to Hermion, but it no longer a realistic location. Our order is currently considering either K2 or Kilimanjaro in Kenyata. All other peaks are infested with soushomme. Untermensch. Sont une problem. Please advise moi.
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