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2018-01-26 at 12:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist I don't believe you
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The cool thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.
https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080411/full/news.2008.751.htmlYour brain makes up its mind up to ten seconds before you realize it, according to researchers. By looking at brain activity while making a decision, the researchers could predict what choice people would make before they themselves were even aware of having made a decision.
The work calls into question the ‘consciousness’ of our decisions and may even challenge ideas about how ‘free’ we are to make a choice at a particular point in time. -
2018-01-26 at 12:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind The cool thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.
https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080411/full/news.2008.751.html
Just because it isn't in the front of your mind when you make the decision, does not mean it's hardwired or predetermined. You made the choice, and your brain uses the appropriate channels to make you aware of that choice and act on it. Sometimes, there are slight delays, like when you recognize something falling well before you have the ability to reach out and catch it. -
2018-01-26 at 12:33 PM UTCIf your brain makes a decision before you're even aware you are making a decision you're not the conscious source of that decision and that decision is no more an example of free will than developing a heart disorder would be.
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2018-01-26 at 12:38 PM UTCLook, imma just put the brakes on here and bid this discussion farewell. Not interested in getting sucked into this with you, but thanks. I'm sure you would have copied the right article somewhere to really show me.
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2018-01-26 at 12:38 PM UTCYou probably already knew that though, since it was determined to happen.
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2018-01-26 at 12:40 PM UTC
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2018-01-26 at 12:43 PM UTCObbe has will failed to address why his definition is not fulfilled by a QRNG.
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2018-01-26 at 12:44 PM UTC
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2018-01-26 at 12:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Obbe has will failed to address why his definition is not fulfilled by a QRNG.
A QRNG experiences no illusion of free will. It does not feel that it is the conscious source of its thoughts or actions. It has no will whatsoever. It may be "free" in the sense that it generates something randomly, but has nothing to do with the problem of free will that human beings are faced with. -
2018-01-26 at 12:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Of course they are still yours, you just aren't the conscious source of them. You've made this day a special day, by just your being you. There's no person in the whole world like you; and I like you just the way you are. Buy you are no more responsible for who you are than you're responsible for your genes or upbringing or neural structures.
I wonder where the concept of belief comes from in the first place. If we're all just vessels that are being used to transport this ongoing highway of beliefs that aren't ours, what is the meaning behind it and who started it? Do you think there was a first something that had free will and then everything after that has been just a product of that? Why is there all this thinking and doing and learning and wondering to begin with, and why should it have any role of importance toward anything if nobody can ever act on that or do something useful with it since it's all predetermined anyway? -
2018-01-26 at 12:50 PM UTC
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2018-01-26 at 12:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I wonder where the concept of belief comes from in the first place. If we're all just vessels that are being used to transport this ongoing highway of beliefs that aren't ours, what is the meaning behind it and who started it? Do you think there was a first something that had free will and then everything after that has been just a product of that? Why is there all this thinking and doing and learning and wondering to begin with, and why should it have any role of importance toward anything if nobody can ever act on that or do something useful with it since it's all predetermined anyway?
I try not to think about it too much and enjoy the ride.
When I say it's you I like, I'm talking about that part of you that knows that life is far more than anything you can ever see or hear or touch. That deep part of you that allows you to stand for those things without which humankind cannot survive. Love that conquers hate, peace that rises triumphant over war, and justice that proves more powerful than greed.
As human beings, our job in life is to help people realize how rare and valuable each one of us really is, that each of us has something that no one else has—or ever will have—something inside that is unique to all time. It's our job to encourage each other to discover that uniqueness and to provide ways of developing its expression. -
2018-01-26 at 12:57 PM UTC
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2018-01-26 at 2:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind A QRNG experiences no illusion of free will. It does not feel that it is the conscious source of its thoughts or actions. It has no will whatsoever. It may be "free" in the sense that it generates something randomly, but has nothing to do with the problem of free will that human beings are faced with.
The word you are looking for and disingenuously trying to misrepresent is...? -
2018-01-26 at 4:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The word you are looking for and disingenuously trying to misrepresent is…?
I don't know why you continue to bring up agency. Agency is distinct from the concept of free will. Human agency entails the claim that humans do in fact make decisions and enact them on the world. How humans come to make decisions, by free choice or other processes, is another issue.
Humans can have agency, but our wills are still either determined and we are not responsible for them or they are random and we are not responsible for them. A qrng does not have free will either, it does not have a will in any sense relative the problem of free will humans are faced with. -
2018-01-27 at 7:38 AM UTC
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2018-01-27 at 7:55 AM UTC
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2018-01-27 at 8:11 AM UTC
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2018-02-14 at 6:35 AM UTConce you start watching shit like this you can't get that shit out of your mind.
fucking hell. -
2018-02-14 at 7:28 AM UTC
