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Policeman beheaded and son has heart/skin removed while alive
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2018-01-24 at 10:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS Calling this free will is like saying you chose not to be floating right now. You have as much power over your will as you do over gravity.
You cannot choose to do what you cannot choose to do, and you cannot choose not to do what you cannot choose to do. Or something like that. Choice is a different rabbit hole that I'm not going to go down if you can't even grasp the basic logical structure of my argument.The fact that you can do things unfettered has nothing to do with whether your will itself is unfettered. I called this a strawman because it is an entirely different freedom - the freedom to act.
I've already addressed this. You can do what you will but you cannot will what you will. But you can do what you will, and if you can do what you will (for whatever reason you will it) then you are free.If your will itself is fettered, it is not free. Neh?
If it is your will and you can do what you will, then your will is free. What wills you to will what you will is not free, but that does not mean your will is not free.
To put it even more simply: when we talk about "free will", we are talking about "freedom of will" i.e. freedom to act upon your will, not "freedom to will", which I can actually argue is available (this is where higher order reasoning comes in but again, I'm not moving on to that unless you can either successfully attack or accept the structure of my argument). -
2018-01-24 at 10:46 PM UTCJust get over it, CF. No free will. It's okay.
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2018-01-24 at 10:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The typical conception of free will is not a one-ended system outside of causality, it is one where you can have agency despite predetermination.
That is not what people mean when they say they have free will. People generally feel like they are the conscious source of all their thoughts and actions. They feel like they could have acted differently than they did in the past. That feeling is called free will.
You are not talking about free will. You are talking about freedom to exert your will. Different topics, you're just re-labeling yours as free will.
I never mentioned anything about agency, I don't know why you keep brining it up. -
2018-01-24 at 10:58 PM UTC
To put it even more simply: when we talk about "free will", we are talking about "freedom of will"
Wrong. Those are different topics. When people claim they have free will, they claim to be the conscious source of their thoughts and actions. They believe they could have acted differently than they did in the past. -
2018-01-24 at 11:03 PM UTC
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2018-01-24 at 11:04 PM UTC
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2018-01-24 at 11:07 PM UTCLol, that's Spectral's job.
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2018-01-24 at 11:12 PM UTCI tried to derail the thread but it made no difference
All these mods but you're still not PC master race -
2018-01-24 at 11:14 PM UTCYou can't derrail such an advanced level of autism.
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2018-01-24 at 11:17 PM UTC
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2018-01-24 at 11:18 PM UTCGodspeed.
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2018-01-24 at 11:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind That is not what people mean when they say they have free will. People generally feel like they are the conscious source of all their thoughts and actions. They feel like they could have acted differently than they did in the past. That feeling is called free will.
You are not talking about free will. You are talking about freedom to exert your will. Different topics, you're just re-labeling yours as free will.
I never mentioned anything about agency, I don't know why you keep brining it up.
That's exactly what people mean when they say they have free will because someone can both agree that things are predetermined but still believe they have agency. The freedom to exert your will is exactly what they mean, not the freedom to will what they will (which they can but I'm not going to discuss agency or higher order reasoning with you unless you can unautism yourself and acknowledge the validity of my structure). -
2018-01-24 at 11:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon That's exactly what people mean when they say they have free will because someone can both agree that things are predetermined but still believe they have agency. The freedom to exert your will is exactly what they mean, not the freedom to will what they will.
That is not what people mean when they say they have free will. People generally feel like they are the conscious source of all their thoughts and actions. They feel like they could have acted differently than they did in the past. That feeling is called free will.
You are not talking about free will. You are talking about freedom to exert your will. Different topics, you're just re-labeling yours as free will.
I don't know why you continue to bring up agency. -
2018-01-25 at 12:33 AM UTCFree William.
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2018-01-25 at 1:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind That is not what people mean when they say they have free will.
That is exactly what people mean when they say they have free willPeople generally feel like they are the conscious source of all their thoughts and actions. They feel like they could have acted differently than they did in the past. That feeling is called free will.
You are not talking about free will. You are talking about freedom to exert your will. Different topics, you're just re-labeling yours as free will.
I don't know why you continue to bring up agency.
I've already addressed all of this. Kill yourself. -
2018-01-25 at 1:27 AM UTCFrom the video description:
While the youngster is alive and fully conscious, the kidnappers flay his chest and belly until his intestines began to protrude. His lungs extract through the exposed cavities, and the intestines continue to pump in and out of the open abdominal wall from sheer terror, as the flayer smacks the young man to make him check it out. The flayer then cuts his rib cage apart and snaps it open, before slicing up his lungs and ripping out his heart, ending his unspeakable torture and with it, his life
That's a pretty detailed description for something that's supposedly unspeakable. -
2018-01-25 at 1:39 AM UTC
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2018-01-25 at 2:20 AM UTC
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2018-01-25 at 2:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny From the video description:
That's a pretty detailed description for something that's supposedly unspeakable.
The autism alert has been triggered. I know you lied about the score you received on the autism quotient test. You didn’t want to post your genuine score because you knew you would never hear the end of it from me and it would be incredibly annoying.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-01-25 at 2:39 AM UTC
