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2017-11-20 at 3:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Yeah of course, I've never said whites or anyone else are blameless, but according to those (and most other) statistics, blacks commit vastly more crimes per capita than any other racial group. It's gotten so bad that Canada and some European countries have made it illegal to provide race-based statistics because they contribute to 'racialist narratives' - ie., blacks and other minorities are committing crimes at much higher rates than anyone else, and 'white nationalist' groups are pointing it out.
You could make arguments for social conditioning, biased legal and policing practices or genetic predisposition; none is conclusive but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. I'd argue that many of the racial problems the US is experiencing are rooted in it's foreign policy and treatment of the 'lesser' peoples of the world, but that's really beyond the scope of what we're talking about.
There is a 'racial resurgence' though - I think the best way I've heard it described is that previously, white people were such a majority (socially, but also uniformly occupied positions of power) that they never really considered themselves as a racial group, they were simply 'the majority' or 'normal'. Now that their majority is weakening, they're starting to think of themselves as a group that's under threat - circling the wagons against things they deem threatening, ranging from street violence, to attacks on their culture (the present war against historical statues), the 'dumbing down' of the education system to accommodate minorities that traditionally score poorly and open hostility from groups like BLM and US-Antifa and the like.
you know the problem with presenting those statistics in that way? besides the obvious fact that most statistics are made up, misreported or easily manipulated. they are being presented and used in a way to make it sound like that's all black people. or like all black people are the same and that they all do those things. of course people like finny love to mis-represent facts in that way because he hopes to pull the wool over some gullible mugs eyes and get them to join his bullshit pathetic non-war against an entire race of people. what a fucking joke, has there ever been a bigger loser in the history of mankind?
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2017-11-20 at 3:54 AM UTC
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2017-11-20 at 3:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist you know the problem with presenting those statistics in that way? besides the obvious fact that most statistics are made up, misreported or easily manipulated. they are being presented and used in a way to make it sound like that's all black people. or like all black people are the same and that they all do those things. of course people like finny love to mis-represent facts in that way because he hopes to pull the wool over some gullible mugs eyes and get them to join his bullshit pathetic non-war against an entire race of people. what a fucking joke, has there ever been a bigger loser in the history of mankind?
you illiterate fucking retard...the facts i provided are indisputable...theyre not statistics...they observable, accurate observations to anyone.
you are only disputing this because youre a fucking nigger yourself and have a well deserved inferiority complex.
your RL name your mammy gave you is something like 'princess' or 'king' or 'sire' or 'lord' or 'prince'...isnt it.
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2017-11-20 at 3:59 AM UTCyou really are an embarrassment finny
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2017-11-20 at 4:01 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-11-20 at 4:21 AM UTC
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2017-11-20 at 2:39 PM UTCRape W 8,946 B 4,229 % of white population = 0.003994941348580737 % of black population = 0.010851436166664102
Aggravated W 183,092 B 98,748 % of white population = 0.0817618825614067 % of black population = 0.25338321555586346
assault
Violent W 228,782 B 151,627 % of white population = 0.10216528857712925 % of black population = 0.3890685059453246
crime
If they were committed at equal rates these percentages should be close to being the same but they're not -
2017-11-20 at 2:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 Rape W 8,946 B 4,229 % of white population = 0.003994941348580737 % of black population = 0.010851436166664102
Aggravated W 183,092 B 98,748 % of white population = 0.0817618825614067 % of black population = 0.25338321555586346
assault
Violent W 228,782 B 151,627 % of white population = 0.10216528857712925 % of black population = 0.3890685059453246
crime
If they were committed at equal rates these percentages should be close to being the same but they're not
^^ lol, the last two pages of the thread went totally over his head and he just shits out some more statisticsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-11-20 at 3:37 PM UTC
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2017-11-20 at 3:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 Didn't go anywhere over my head, the whole thread has been people trying to say wahh but whites are just as bad but no
If it didn't go over your head, that means you're either unwilling or incapable of defending whatever point you're trying to make beyond just spitting out more of the same statistics whose relevancy has already been questioned, which is even worse. -
2017-11-20 at 3:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 Didn't go anywhere over my head, the whole thread has been people trying to say wahh but whites are just as bad but no
Whites are just as bad though. Look at the balkans. Mostly white people who have also been victims of circumstance. Go walk down the streets of Belgrade at night alone and see if you don't get murked for your shit just as quick as you would in chicago. -
2017-11-20 at 3:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic If it didn't go over your head, that means you're either unwilling or incapable of defending whatever point you're trying to make beyond just spitting out more of the same statistics whose relevancy has already been questioned, which is even worse.
My point is that blacks are disproportionate in the crime statistics and my stats have proven that so my point needs no defending, their relevancy has been questioned but not disproven in any way -
2017-11-20 at 3:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Whites are just as bad though. Look at the balkans. Mostly white people who have also been victims of circumstance. Go walk down the streets of Belgrade at night alone and see if you don't get murked for your shit just as quick as you would in chicago.
Poverty is no excuse for murder, rape, assault or violent crime, especially not in the USA -
2017-11-20 at 3:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 My point is that blacks are disproportionate in the crime statistics and my stats have proven that so my point needs no defending, their relevancy has been questioned but not disproven in any way
Bro I hate saying this because it's like the basis of "i own a mac and wear problem glasses and argue on reddit" type arguments but it's true. Correlation does not imply causation. Nobody is denying the fact that blacks commit crimes at higher rate than other races in the US. They're saying it's because a shitload of Africans were displaced from their home and culture and made to work as slaves and then after that, were systematically denied the opportunities afforded to whites and to a lesser extent, other races.
Do you not understand the argument or do you really think just repeatedly shitting out the same statistics is really convincing anyone?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-11-20 at 4 PM UTC
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2017-11-20 at 4:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Bro I hate saying this because it's like the basis of "i own a mac and wear problem glasses and argue on reddit" type arguments but it's true. Correlation does not imply causation. Nobody is denying the fact that blacks commit crimes at higher rate than other races in the US. They're saying it's because a shitload of Africans were displaced from their home and culture and made to work as slaves and then after that, were systematically denied the opportunities afforded to whites and to a lesser extent, other races.
Do you not understand the argument or do you really think just repeatedly shitting out the same statistics is really convincing anyone?
US Slavery is not relevant because it happened before any of the people alive today were alive, and saying that it's a lack of opportunities is ignorant of the fact that legally blacks are equal to whites(and others) as well as the fact that they're currently given more opportunities for the same basis than whites or those of any other race for that matter.
It's also ignorant of the fact that asians were largely treated the same and within some of our lifetimes a large group of them were put in camps merely for being japanese as well as the prejudice post war.
You'll also note that there are just below half as many asians in the us as blacks while their crime statistics are in no way comparable, in fact they compare only to natives which are currently a much smaller minority once again proving how disproportionate it is. -
2017-11-20 at 4:17 PM UTC
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2017-11-20 at 4:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 Nothing, I've not said whites don't, I'm saying more blacks do.
Well more blacks are poor.
What is it that you make thinks black people commit crimes at higher rates than whites then? If you don't believe it's correlated with economic position but solely with race, there must be some cause of it. If slavery and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people cannot be cited as a reason for the failure of blacks, what do you think it is? Something inherent in DNA? You must have some semi-logical reason for believing that if you are doubting every other logical explanation.
And if this is true, am I right to assume you are also saying that whites are inferior to Asians, since they statistically are more "successful" than whites and less likely to commit crimes? What decides this racial hierarchy? I'm honestly curious. I personally think you are compensating for some insecurity or fear of blacks or the declining influence of whites but I want to see if you can actually string together an opinion that at least doesn't contradict itself. -
2017-11-20 at 5:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Well more blacks are poor.
What is it that you make thinks black people commit crimes at higher rates than whites then? If you don't believe it's correlated with economic position but solely with race, there must be some cause of it. If slavery and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people cannot be cited as a reason for the failure of blacks, what do you think it is? Something inherent in DNA? You must have some semi-logical reason for believing that if you are doubting every other logical explanation.
Surely if it were only because of economic position there would be far less violent crimes, virtually zero in fact, and far far more cases of theft and fraud?
Also considering there are just under half as many whites in poverty than blacks it would stand to reason, by your logic, that percentage wise whites would be responsible for half as many crimes as blacks, which by my previous statistics is false.
Unless you hold blacks and whites to different standards that is.
Even if economics is the main reason then there would still be a relatively large number of black crimes which cannot hold economic position as the cause.
It could be in their dna, I can't say for sure, it could be that blacks are just predisposed to violence, maybe it's their inherent ooga booga tribalism or their gibsmedat mentality.
If prejudice and the remnants of slavery had anything to do with this the US would never have had a black president, that is equal opportunity in action.
Originally posted by greenplastic And if this is true, am I right to assume you are also saying that whites are inferior to Asians, since they statistically are more "successful" than whites and less likely to commit crimes? What decides this racial hierarchy? I'm honestly curious. I personally think you are compensating for some insecurity or fear of blacks or the declining influence of whites but I want to see if you can actually string together an opinion that at least doesn't contradict itself.
I don't believe I have said any race is inferior or superior here and no, I measure the worth of a race by the weight of their impact on the world, culturally, historically and economically, which asians and whites have a more or less equal share of.
But I by no means ask that this be the standard, nor am I trying to force my opinion on you.
It's the declining influence of whites bit, I'd mention rhodesia but it's already been mentioned. -
2017-11-20 at 5:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 Didn't go anywhere over my head, the whole thread has been people trying to say wahh but whites are just as bad but no
we're not claiming the percentages are the same etc. the point we are making is that there is still enough of white people committing the same acts that white people have no business looking down their noses at black people for doing the same things. even considering the ratio's, more of the crimes were still committed by white people overall.
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