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Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
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2023-05-17 at 7:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat aldra, lol t the polish shit posters response to shogu's statement (it sort of mkes sense who would put them next to each other lol):
"the lies are debunked. There are only two Patriot systems in Ukraine at this time, not threee. One was damaged and is being repaired. One still fully operational. For mental midget clarity, Patriot systems are not placed next to each other.
a single PATRIOT complex usually contains several batteries (the units that actually fire the missiles), one radar and one command unit. they can be spread over a kilometer or so but may not be depending on the terrain and what they're meant to be defending. as I understand it two complexes (so two radars, two command units etc.) were given to the AFU.
the radar unit is usually the primary target because A) disabling the radar disables the entire complex and B) it's the easiest thing to target because when active it blasts radio waves in all directions, which are easy to triangulate. for this reason it's most likely that Russia struck the radar unit, which disables 50% of their PATRIOT defences.
lol@ 'debunked' - even western media is reporting that a PATRIOT unit was 'damaged'. they claim that the damage was minor and that it can be repaired in-theatre, but if that were true they'd have no reason not to release images of the 'lightly damaged' unit. if it ate a Kinzhal as reported, it's unlikely the damage is repairable at all.
you can see clearly in the video I posted earlier that the battery fires 30 missiles, its entire magazine, in under two minutes, and right after that is when the missile comes down uncontested (even though you can't see exactly what it hit due to the angle and the buildings).
Originally posted by Wariat In the mean time, Ukkraine took back more territory once held by Russia in Bakhmut. The Russians are still retreating and dropping like flies.
When is Russia going to take Bakhmut?"
so what, the Wang Gang holds 95% instead of 98% of the city? they'll probably finish the operation once Zelensky stops pouring men into the artillery killbox. -
2023-05-17 at 8:07 AM UTC
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2023-05-17 at 9:11 AM UTClol at his latest reply aldra to another guy:
"Two launchers stood side by side, and the third - behind the building." Who ever made this statement is a mental midget. There are only two Patriot systems in Ukraine. They are never stationed next to each other. There is no "third" unit. Niether of the two units were destroyed, one was damaged. With the explosives on one unit, if it were destroyed, the secondary explosions would destroy any other unit close to it. So, anyone making the statement or citing it is a mental midget.
When is Russia going to take Bakhmut? -
2023-05-17 at 9:28 AM UTChe may be right ldra us only admits one was damaged and there is no proof usa is lying:
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2023-05-17 at 2:18 PM UTC
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2023-05-17 at 2:50 PM UTCnd russia instó lying or inprisoning and poisoning political opponents?
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2023-05-17 at 3:11 PM UTC
Ukrainian walks slowly forward from cover and gets shot. -
2023-05-17 at 3:18 PM UTCtheres no secondary explosion because all patriot missiles has been spent.
also why do ukrainians love to park their air defences between civillian buildings.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-05-17 at 3:21 PM UTC
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2023-05-17 at 3:22 PM UTC
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2023-05-17 at 3:22 PM UTC
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2023-05-17 at 3:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny theres no secondary explosion because all patriot missiles has been spent.
nor would there be secondary explosions if a radar or command unit were hit
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny also why do ukrainians love to park their air defences between civillian buildings.
same reason they park tanks and artillery in residential courtyards I guess
that strategy actually limits the effectiveness of SAMs though, buildings block radar and limit the firing angle that can be used - PATRIOTs don't do vertical launches -
2023-05-17 at 3:33 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-05-17 at 3:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra nor would there be secondary explosions if a radar or command unit were hit
same reason they park tanks and artillery in residential courtyards I guess
that strategy actually limits the effectiveness of SAMs though, buildings block radar and limit the firing angle that can be used - PATRIOTs don't do vertical launches
maybe patriot were designed for slower incoming missiles that can be detected early on from a long distance so its TEL have no need for complicated vertical launch.
its SCUD era design. -
2023-05-17 at 3:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny maybe patriot were designed for slower incoming missiles that can be detected early on from a long distance so its TEL have no need for complicated vertical launch.
its SCUD era design.
They've been upgraded since the 90s...
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2023-05-17 at 3:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson They've been upgraded since the 90s…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot
yea like boeing 737 has been upgraded since the 90s.
its fundamantal design remains the same. -
2023-05-17 at 3:55 PM UTCas I understand it the bulk of the upgrades have been in the radar and missiles themselves; the launch units haven't changed a lot in the last 30-40 years. I don't know about the dynamics of vertical vs. angled launch, just saying PATRIOTs have never fired vertically so putting them in an environment with obstructions like that limits their effectiveness.
PATRIOTs are designed for mid-close range engagement but have powerful long-range radar. assuming they're all as effective as advertised you'd want to echelon your defences, something like THAAD for longer range and AA artillery like the Gepard guns for close range and clearing slow, low-value targets like the GERAN drones -
2023-05-17 at 3:56 PM UTC
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