User Controls
Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
-
2023-05-16 at 5:03 PM UTCUS isn't in charge of Nato..and wasn't in 1990 either.
I mean you have to be pretty naive as a leader to take a few verbal "assurances" as a set in stone "guarantee".
Seems Russia is pretty dim in that aspect..
Hitler "Yeah bro we wont attack you"
Stalin "Cheers mate!" -
2023-05-16 at 5:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra James Baker, Secretary of State at the time on behalf of Bush
their argument later on was essentially 'the President didn't actually say it so it doesn't count'
there were more statements and releases meant to make them believe it was genuine, but it doesn't really matter does it? NATO claimed they weren't going to try to move into the former Warsaw Pact countries but did anyway, and Russia felt they had to put a stop to it because potentially moving their TBMs and missile shields to within 400km of Moscow was unacceptable.
TBMs? -
2023-05-16 at 5:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson US isn't in charge of Nato..and wasn't in 1990 either.
I mean you have to be pretty naive as a leader to take a few verbal "assurances" as a set in stone "guarantee".
Seems Russia is pretty dim in that aspect..
Hitler "Yeah bro we wont attack you"
Stalin "Cheers mate!"
I mean, the US has always been the primary military power within NATO, and now NATO is mostly just a racket to force other countries to buy US-made military hardware.
and I don't really disagree; I don't think Gorbachev or Yeltsin were particularly competent but even if they were, they presided over the end of the Soviet Union and didn't have many cards to play anyway.
point is, NATO forcing itself into Ukraine is both an act of aggression considering they promised not to (regardless of how binding that was) and potentially an existential threat to Russia (even with current superiority in missile and anti-missile tech, 400km is too short a path for even the latest anti-missile systems to detect, lock onto and intercept modern missiles. this is why the US is outfitting its nuclear deterrent submarines to carry ~140 short range cruise missiles instead of ~20 ballistic missiles). -
2023-05-16 at 5:11 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 5:12 PM UTCI think it's a stretch to say NATO ever made any such guarantees is all I'm saying.
-
2023-05-16 at 5:13 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
-
2023-05-16 at 5:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson US isn't in charge of Nato..and wasn't in 1990 either.
I mean you have to be pretty naive as a leader to take a few verbal "assurances" as a set in stone "guarantee".
Seems Russia is pretty dim in that aspect..
Hitler "Yeah bro we wont attack you"
Stalin "Cheers mate!"
they also guaranteed no aggression ever in Ukraine if Ukraine would give up its stock pile of nuclear weapons didn't they?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-05-16 at 5:15 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 5:15 PM UTCyou must be dumb alder to think nato orchestrated the coup. they helped maybe but it was the Ukrainian people who orchestrated it and wanted it. outside of some shithole ruski republics way in the easy they wanted it.
-
2023-05-16 at 5:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat you must be dumb alder to think nato orchestrated the coup. they helped maybe but it was the Ukrainian people who orchestrated it and wanted it. outside of some shithole ruski republics way in the easy they wanted it.
who is Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland and where did she get that nickname?
who hired the snipers who opened fire on both the police and protesters, and how many times has that happened in previous colour revolutions?
what happened at the Odessa Trade House?
why did the EU Accession Agreement require that the Ukraine break all preferential trade deals with Russia?
did the Accession Agreement actually make any guarantees as to whether or when EU membership would be extended? -
2023-05-16 at 5:20 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 5:23 PM UTCWhat the west gonna do if Russia asks to join NATO?
-
2023-05-16 at 5:25 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 5:36 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 5:53 PM UTC
-
2023-05-16 at 6:46 PM UTCThe only thing I read when I tried to find source material for what Aldra said was that in the 90s Yeltsin offered a couple times and some other fag wrote a personal letter saying their future aim was to eventually join Nato.
-
2023-05-16 at 6:51 PM UTCbradley your dumb as fuck bro on geopolitics at least.
-
2023-05-16 at 6:51 PM UTCyou actually remind me of scron.
-
2023-05-16 at 6:52 PM UTCso aldra do you also think the west organized lech walensas trade strikes and the polish solidarity movement as well as marshall law that broke the soviet unions back? also the baltics how they firmed the chain did the west organize that as well and their own little revolution?
-
2023-05-16 at 6:53 PM UTCwhat about georgia aldra did the west organize georgias resistance to russia including the rectn stuff going on?
