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2019-03-21 at 6:38 PM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessA more common response is the one given by neurophilosopher Patricia S. Churchland, an emerita professor at the University of California, San Diego. “It is fanciful,” she says of Jaynes’ book. “I don’t think that it added anything of substance to our understanding of the nature of consciousness and how consciousness emerges from brain activity.”
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2019-03-21 at 5:12 PM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessDaniel Dennett's "praise":
http://m.nautil.us/issue/24/error/consciousness-began-when-the-gods-stopped-speaking
"Daniel Dennett likes to give Jaynes the benefit of the doubt: “There were a lot of really good ideas lurking among the completely wild junk.”"
So completely wild junk, with good ideas hidden in there.
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2019-03-21 at 2:57 PM UTC in GGG is scared lol
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2019-03-21 at 2:30 PM UTC in GGG is scared lolIf it's not concealed then you might as well put a target on your back anyway.
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2019-03-21 at 2:27 PM UTC in How do you explain your enthusiasm for hallucinogens?Do psychedelics count as hallucinogens?
If so, I think it's easy to describe the difference between experience and existence and then talk about how you can experience things that are wildly outside of your normal scope of existence, and really understand "reality" with proper perspective. If you've never stepped out of the box, the box seems to be your world. -
2019-03-21 at 2:24 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Malice Metro EditionDucking biggers
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2019-03-21 at 2:21 PM UTC in GGG is scared lolAnyone who fucks with §m£ÂgØL IRL will end up dead.
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2019-03-21 at 2:20 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Malice Metro Edition
Originally posted by CASPER Well then I'm on the right track.
I know it wasn't like "my fault", but that was just so uncharacteristic of me. I thought he was doing the faggy victim cry for help thing…..but I guess he was in more pain than even I knew.
I honestly didn't even remember I said that, and just knowing what I know now, I really regret it.
I know he got his drugs a week or two before, but I don't think it's entirely coincidence that he checked out as soon as I/we started getting agitated at his constant talking about it.
I mean I still think weekly about the girl I let try coke with me when I was 15 or 16. Ended up going off the rails, injecting bath salts, having a stroke- and is now in an assisted living facility. One of the 3 girls I ever really loved, I think.
I just obsess about how the things I've done affect other people. Not to be melodramatic, but I think this one is probably going to stay with me a bit. I don't even remember saying that shit. Then again I DID put in a solid decade of encouragement and talk-therapy, but that's not what sticks with you.
*shrug*
Hey man, jokes aside I really identify with the way you feel. And I haven't conquered it but I am trying. To that end, I'll make a serious suggestion: try mindfulness meditation.
I really don't like cracker ass neo-spirituality and how it has infested the practice of meditation, which in itself is a powerful tool.
What you might be experiencing in these moments, as I do too, is an identity with your thoughts and your idea of self. Your thoughts are what cause your suffering.
I spent a long time thinking about why I agonize over so much of the past, and I think it's because we value ourselves and our existence "transactionally", as Alan Watts might put it: what we are is how we relate.
I also generally think Sam Harris is not too bright on many of the subjects he talks about, but the Waking Up app is one I'll give him big props for. The guided meditation courses are very helpful to actually understand what you're learning.
Indians are an authority on meditation and Pakis are basically Indians, so you can trust me. -
2019-03-21 at 12:48 PM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessIt's not by far the most empirically testable. In principle it is testable but in fact it is hard to imagine how to operationalize it. Current GWS-ish neuroscientific theories are plenty testable and have produced testable predictive models of consciousness. The main objection to these composite, complicated neuroscientific models is that even if you know what correlates give rise to what conscious state, you don't know why specifically those correlations are structured as they are. Except, we are starting to understand these understandings. They're just really complicated.
I don't even think IIT is actually fundamentally correct, it just is a good start with regards to what kind of physical structures might support the phenomenological properties of consciousness, the biggest being integration: for example in viewing the whole of my visual field as one "image".
I think IIT makes a massive error in attempting to identify conscious states with the states of integration: if this were the case, and phi demonstrates the level of consciousness then there are other integrated structures that might be more conscious than you. For example a glass of water would have an immensely high phi value.
Ultimately I believe information integration is fundamentally important to solving the hard problem, but it is not consciousness in and of itself. But if you integrate and crunch information a certain way, you can create a conscious information structure. -
2019-03-21 at 11:14 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessIs Jayden Jaymes won a Nobel prize or if the data all fit or if people thought that it was actually valuable for studying consciousness then I might read it.
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2019-03-21 at 11:12 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
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2019-03-21 at 11:06 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessBtw many vaccine scientists have won the Nobel Prize in vaccination.
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2019-03-21 at 11:05 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
Originally posted by gadzooks It is possible that we evolved consciousness at different rates, ya know?
Either way, every theory has edge cases. Some kids die from being vaccinated.
Are you also anti-vaxxer?
There's nothing to support the theory and the theory does not fit the data nor even really make testable predictions, nor answers the Hard Problem.
I mean you can read it if you want, but understand that you're not really receiving any information about reality from it. -
2019-03-21 at 11:02 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
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2019-03-21 at 11 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessActual video of Hitler's final minutes (slightly inaccurate theory):
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2019-03-21 at 10:56 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
Originally posted by gadzooks HIS timeline, first of all. That's been bugging me for a while now.
But more on topic: That does not disprove the theory. It it means that the predictions made based on the theory are slightly inaccurate. Do you have any idea how common a thing that is in science and academia? It probably happen a 50 times a day.
No, it means she made a theory to fit the historical data but it doesn't fit all the relevant historical data. So it's a nice work of historical fiction "based on a true story".
The Aboriginal example is good too. -
2019-03-21 at 10:51 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
Originally posted by gadzooks The Nobel prize is not exactly the one true measure of scientific accuracy.
Lobotomy is a legitimate medical procedure.Next you'll tell me the Academy awards are an objective source of quality in the cinematic arts.
No nobody in the Academy won a Nobel Prize in film, how can they be an authority? -
2019-03-21 at 10:49 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
Originally posted by gadzooks So the Chinese developed conciousness before us? Big deal. That's not a counter argument.
Unless you're racist and can't accept the hypothesis that the Chinese developed conciousness thought before the rest of the world?
It certainly does not bother me, but, then again, I'm not a racist prick.
They developed conscious thought outside of her proposed timeline, i.e. falsifying it on temporal grounds. -
2019-03-21 at 10:48 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of ConsciousnessSame with Aborigines, who wouldn't have consciousness.
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2019-03-21 at 10:46 AM UTC in The Hard Problem of Consciousness
