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  1. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
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  2. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Check out Maniac:



    Miniseries about schizophrenia, drug addiction, friendship set in a retro-futuristic world, in a corporate drug trial where people explore their minds as if they were exploring alternate realities through the use of drugs and artificial intelligence created simulations.
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  3. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]


    Paradox: Life is a mystery; don’t waste your time trying to figure it out.

    Humor: Keep a sense of humor, especially about yourself. It is a strength beyond all measure

    Change: Know that nothing ever stays the same.

    We can waste our time trying to figure out some aspect of life when there’s nothing to figure out.  Or, we try to figure it all out up front, only to find out we got it all wrong, or that things change under our feet.  Or, we forget that, it will come to us when it needs to (“when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.”).

    Most importantly, we miss out on the journey … The journey of life.

    Life is inconsistent.  Life changes under your feet.  Life doesn’t go as planned.  Things happen.  Don’t try to figure it all out up front.

    Instead, embrace the journey as it unfolds both the mystery and the opportunity.

    Whether it’s work or whether it’s life, find a way to play with it.  You’ll be kinder and gentler to yourself, and, as a result, kinder to others.  It helps you build compassion, ease the stress, and acknowledge that in any situation, there’s a lighter side that, if you can find it, will help you keep things in perspective.

    And, most importantly, enjoy the journey, a moment at a time.

    Holding onto something is often what holds you back.  It’s the often the shift that makes the difference.  Whether that means look with a new lens, lean into the challenge, or learn to let go, you can make more from your moments when you embrace change.
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  4. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by mmQ Glam just PMd me to tell me this back and forth was a social experiment prearranged and agreed upon by both candy and himself so basically you all got PLAYED.

    Then neither of them are being authentic. When the play is over and the curtains fall the masks come off and these apparent enemies are revealed to actually be companions, actors working together to put on a show for the benefit of their audience.
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  5. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by gadzooks And I want to remind you that I am not taking Jaynes' theory as irrefutable gospel. My only reason to even intervene when you and Obbe were discussing it was when I could tell you were dismissing it entirely too flippantly.

    Are you SHARK/Captain Falcon/etc? If you are, carry on with that IIT theory. That was actually pretty cutting edge and by far the most empirically testable theory about consciousnesss I've ever seen. But you don't have to dismiss Obbe's (or anyone's, for that matter) contributions to the discussion at hand with such crude insensitivity.

    It's not like IIT is without dissenters. It's essentially a very sophisticated house of cards built on a foundation of axioms that are just as speculative as Jaynes' theory.

    Thanks for stating this so eloquently... I do sincerely hope you get a chance to read the book, I would be interested in hearing what you think about it.
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  6. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Should people just not be bothered by name calling? Or should people just not call each other names?

    Doesn't matter, people are gonna people. Trolls gonna troll.

    I wonder who is being more genuine. I think candy is probably being more genuine. I can't see §m£ÂgØL actually calling anyone a nigger unless he is a safe distance away from them.
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  7. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by GGG I've had mine for a while now and it's great. I play pokemon crystal clear on it. Such a great tiny device. Wish it did snes though.

    Me too. Try the mother 25th anniversary edition rom hack for the nes.

    Check out the rs-97 modded with custom firmware for SNES and ScummVM.

    I'm thinking about building a gameboy zero.
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  8. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Tell me more about your experience when you witnessed the technologies.
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  9. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Methuselah It’s funny when Obbe is the one playing the skeptic.

    Talk about a role reversal

    Wish I could remember anything significant about you.
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  10. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
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  11. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by gadzooks I see what you're saying, but what kinda throws a wrench into that explanation is the issue of explaining a mechanism for that transition.

    How did we gradually develop inner subjective experience?

    What does it mean to be partially conscious?

    I imagine the development was somewhat similar to the gradual development of a metaphorical language to create the illusion of "inner subjective experience".

    We are partially conscious right now. You are aware of the subconscious? There are various things you are not conscious of. As you read this, there are various things you could potentially be conscious of, but you're not because this is distracting you.
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  12. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Lanny Don't talk to obbe about illusions, it's a dark dark road to go down.

    Illusion or not, consciousness is not something we just “believe in”: it is our immediate experience, and the social world as we know it wouldn’t be possible without this idea of Self endowed with consciousness and free will. The cornerstone of consciousness is metaphor. So what is metaphor, and how can it generate consciousness? The most fascinating property of language is its capacity to make metaphors. For metaphor is not a mere extra trick of language; it is the very constitutive ground of language. I am using metaphor here in its most general sense: the use of a term for one thing to describe another because of some kind of similarity between them or between their relations to other things.

    There are thus always two terms in a metaphor, the thing to be described, the target, and the thing or relation used to elucidate it, the source. A metaphor is always a known source operating on a less known target. The human body is a particularly generative source, creating previously unspeakable distinctions in a variety of areas. The head of an army, table, page, bed, ship, household, or nail, or of steam or water; the face of a clock, cliff, card, or crystal; the eyes of needles, winds, storms, targets, flowers, or potatoes; the brow of a hill; the teeth of cogs or combs; the lips of pitchers, craters, augers; the tongues of shoes, board joints, or railway switches; the arm of a chair or the sea; the leg of a table, compass, sailor’s voyage, or cricket field; and so on and so forth.

    In early times, language and its referents climbed up from the concrete to the abstract on the steps of metaphors, or actually created the abstract on the bases of metaphors. It is not always obvious that metaphor has played this all-important function. But this is because the concrete sources become hidden in phonemic change, leaving the words to exist on their own. Even such an unmetaphorical-sounding word as the verb ‘to be’ was generated from a metaphor. It comes from the Sanskrit bhu, “to grow, or make grow,” while the English forms ‘am’ and ‘is’ have evolved from the same root as the Sanskrit asmi, “to breathe.”

    Consider any word which has meanings both from the physical-behavioural world and from the inner domain of cognition. For example, grasp: one can grasp a stone or one can grasp an idea. You don’t need to know the etymology of this verb to have a clear intuition about what is the target here and what the source, which meaning is primary and which metaphorical: the direction is always from the “outer” world to “inner”, from “objective” to “subjective”, from physical to cognitive. The mind refers to the outer, objective world to “model” its inner world of ideas: grasping an idea is like grasping a stone, not vice versa.

    Have you ever wondered what actually happens in the brain when you understand a word? For example, if you listen to someone saying something as simple as that they jumped, what’s actually happening in your brain to create the understanding of what you’ve heard? There is an increasing body of evidence that such understanding involves partial simulation of the very action of jumping. The pattern of neural codes engaged in understanding the word jump and the pattern of neural codes engaged in actual jumping have a portion in common (but obviously not enough to make you jump whenever you say or hear the word). And if we hear the same word used metaphorically, for example something about someone jumping to conclusions, it would still involve processing of the word jump, and hence the corresponding neural simulation of actual jumping. The sensory properties of the source are brought in to contribute to the target meaning.

    Metaphors generate the illusion of special inner mind-space where consciousness “takes place”. Every time the brain processes a sentence about grasping an idea or jumping to conclusion, it simulates a space where these actions might take place, a space where ideas, conclusions, thoughts are modelled as “things” in the outer world — something one can see, approach, jump to, or get hold of.

    Consciousness itself emerges as a special kind of “metaphorical” operation in which the world around us is the source and what’s happening inside us, the target. And this internal model of the outside world contains a little “I” who acts there. If I approach a problem both “I” and the “problem” must be located within the same space. This thinking and willing “I” turns out to be a tiny little actor on the stage within my own mind-space.

    A mind-space is a part of what it is to be conscious and what it is to assume consciousness in others. Moreover, things that in the physical-behavioral world do not have a spatial quality are made to have such in consciousness. Otherwise we cannot be conscious of them. This is spatialization. Time is an obvious example. If I ask you to think of the last hundred years, you may have a tendency to excerpt the matter in such a way that the succession of years is spread out, probably from left to right. But of course there is no left or right in time. There is only before and after, and these do not have any spatial properties whatever - except by analog. You cannot think of time except by spatializing it. Consciousness is always a spatialization in which the diachronic is turned into the synchronic, in which what has happened in time is excerpted and seen as a spatial projection.

    This spatialization of time is what allows our little metaphorical “I”s - the actors within our mind-spaces - to travel in time: to reminiscence about the past and imagine different futures which is particularly important because of its potential role in willing and decision making. But the spatialization of time is also a metaphor: we understand time by modelling it as a kind of space, and this happens in language too. The "time as space" metaphor tends to be embedded not only into the vocabulary, but in the grammar as well - for example, when we use spatial prepositions for time periods (something may happen in America and in winter, within a building or within a month). Just as we learn to understand thoughts and ideas as objects in space when we acquire language in childhood, so do we learn to think of time as a space.

    This is how consciousness is generated in each of us now: by modern languages and their metaphors. Languages were not always like this. Their inherent models of our inner worlds weren’t always there, they have evolved over time with language. And before that happened, there could have been no consciousness as we know it.
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  13. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
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  15. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by gadzooks This whole notion that we use consensus in some areas of science and not others is just totally incorrect.

    This speech is like 10 years old.

    I don't know what to make of it. I posted it here so people like you can help inform my opinion. I want to hear what you have to say about climate change.
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  16. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    https://libraryofbabel.info

    The Library of Babel is a place for scholars to do research, for artists and writers to seek inspiration, for anyone with curiosity or a sense of humor to reflect on the weirdness of existence - in short, it’s just like any other library. If completed, it would contain every possible combination of 1,312,000 characters, including lower case letters, space, comma, and period. Thus, it would contain every book that ever has been written, and every book that ever could be - including every play, every song, every scientific paper, every legal decision, every constitution, every piece of scripture, and so on. At present it contains all possible pages of 3200 characters, about 10^4677 books.

    Everything you could or will ever type on niggasin.space already exists in this library.
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  17. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Maybe eventually they will use something like this for brain to phone communication.
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  18. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    To err is human. To blame someone else is politics. You are solely responsible for your success and your failure. And the sooner you realize that, you accept that, and integrate that into your philosophy, you will start being successful. As long as you blame others for the reason you aren't where you want to be, you will always be a failure.
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  19. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by -mal- Who are you obbbe? Do you have a less stoned alt?

    All we are is dust in the wind.
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  20. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by gadzooks Please don't get me into the whole slippery slope argument.

    Man, I have spent WAY TOO MUCH time debating in my own mind (while waiting at a bus stop, or standing in line at the grocery store, etc) contemplating THAT EXACT ISSUE regarding all of this…

    But finny, was, ultimately, BREAKING THE RULES.

    There are so few rules here that it's kind of a special accomplishment to get yourself banned here.

    I'm not trying to argue that banning finny is an easy thing to do. But we HAVE TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE.

    How can we prove quality of a post?

    How can we prove spam?

    How can we prove anything?

    We can't.

    So administrators have to make judgment calls.

    And, no matter what anybody says, I stand by Lanny's call.

    And not out of some kind of brownnosing BS. But because I know what it's like to host a website, and I know that I would have likely done THE EXACT SAME THING if I were in his position and I had my own infinityshock.

    Did he have to make a judgement call? I don't know if I agree with that. You don't have to read anything you don't want to read here.

    I used to appreciate moderators who would help prevent discussion derailment, move off-topic posts and punish repeat offenders. But Lanny can't be here 24/7 to play janitor. People will post off topic bullshit in almost every thread, and usually nothing will be done about it. But maybe it's better that way. Don't feed the trolls and the shit will sink and the cream will rise to the top. The truth, the posts, that really matter will shine through the bullshit and if your topic doesn't maybe that's because it's just more bullshit.

    Anyway... I don't think Lanny actually had to do anything. He did, and this is his website, so we have to deal with that. But he didn't have to do anything at all.

    And implementing the ability to ignore or block specific users might have been a better choice.
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