User Controls
Posts by Obbe
-
2015-11-21 at 8:41 PM UTC in Do fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?Why is income inequality a problem? Isn't that how a free market works? The value of your work should be determined by what people are willing to pay for it, not by regulations.
-
2015-11-21 at 8:36 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?I don't admit that. Colours are perceived subjectively, and I do think that therefore colours are not objective. I just have no more motivation to argue against someone as pedantic as you.
-
2015-11-21 at 8:34 PM UTC in The hard problem of consciousnessWhat?
-
2015-11-21 at 8:33 PM UTC in Are illogical thoughts an evolutionary advantage?Good point. I decided to create this thread after listening to part of this discussion:
-
2015-11-21 at 8:30 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?This thread has been very fun, and I found it very challenging to create arguments against the objective existence of colours/rainbows. However I no longer can find the motivation to continue putting on that facade. I thank you for your participation, and hope that we can get into more pointless arguments over semantics in the future.
-
2015-11-21 at 5:19 PM UTC in The hard problem of consciousnessHow do we define consciousness? Does consciousness of ones actions have an effect on ones actions?
-
2015-11-21 at 5:13 PM UTC in Are illogical thoughts an evolutionary advantage?Are most people "wired" to think logically or illogically? Which way of thinking had the greater evolutionary advantage?
Imagine you were a primitive cave man sitting by his fire. You heard a rustling in the bushes. Logically, you could conclude that the rustling was most likely just the wind. But there is always the chance that it could be some monster preparing to jump out and eat you. Those who thought illogically and prepared to react to the unknown may have had an advantage in such a situation.
As a side note, much of enjoyable modern culture (art, music, etc) is a result of illogical thinking. What does it mean to be very opposed to illogical thinking? -
2015-11-21 at 5:02 PM UTC in Do fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?Serious Question: If minimum wage workers deserve an increase in minimum wage to $15/hour, do skilled workers who are already earning a higher wage deserve an equivalent raise?
If minimum wage were to increase by 40%, does a worker earning $40/hour deserve a 40% increase in wage as well? -
2015-11-21 at 4:53 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
That's wrong, you haven't done anything to establish this. I've already told you why that experiment does not establish this. The only other thing you've done in this thread is repeat the mantra that color is subjective without actually making a meaningful reply to any of my points for the last couple of pages.
No, actually all you have done is made the claim that colour has an objective existence regardless of how differently it can be perceived subjectively. I maintain that the fact people perceive colour differently demonstrates that colour is not objective, and I believe that it is a mistake to define colour as a property of an object considering the fact that different people will see different colours when viewing the same object. It is a mistake to define colour as a wavelength of light, considering the fact that the same objective wavelengths of light will appear to be different colours to different people. These definitions are confusing the subjective phenomenon of colour, which is actually function of our visual systems, with the objective phenomenon which becomes colour.
Colour may be commonly defined as an objective property, but simply being a common practice doesn't save something from being wrong. People used to commonly believe that lightning was caused by an angry god, but as we use scientific experimentation to explain the world around us we develop a new understanding of how the world works and common knowledge changes. Colour is also defined as a perception, and scientific experimentation as well as simple logic appears to support this definition.
For your information, colour is defined as perception on both the wikipedia page for colour as well as in the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition for colour.Also see the "ultraviolet", "infrared" and "blue light" examples. How could those terms be coherent in a technical sense if color is not a property of light? How could we assign wavelengths to colors if color isn't a property of light?
Those terms are just labels for different portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. What is the colour of radio waves Lanny? What is the colour of gamma rays? These wavelengths belong on the same spectrum as visible light, if colour is an objective property of light then surely these wavelengths must also have colours. They don't appear to have any colour at all, at least to us humans. Why would that be? Possibly because colour is not an objective property of light?
We assign wavelengths to colours because all humans have fairly similar brain structures, or rather, the brains of two humans will be more similar than one human brain and one dog brain. Therefore most of us humans see colours somewhat similarly, and so we then proceeded to assign specific wavelengths to specific colours. But as science has shown us, individual people still see colours differently than other individuals. And humans see colours differently than other animals. Logically this is because colour is a function of your visual system, and everyone has a somewhat different visual system.
So far all you have done to support your claim that colour is objective, is define it as such. I have now shown how colour can also be defined as a perception, and I have demonstrated that different people/animals do perceive colour subjectively. Are you now able to demonstrate that colour is objective, beyond the common practice of defining it as such?Your whole argument has been semantics from the start but this is particularly stupid. Rainbows are causally responsible for certain light, wether or not you consider that emission doesn't change the fact that it's sufficient criteria for existence. Mirrors don't "emit" light (by your definition) nor do they create an alternative universe populated by their apparent contents. Do you deny the objective existence of mirrors?
Of course a mirror objectively exists. But the mirror image I see when looking at the mirror is just an apparition.
I am saying the phenomenon that leads to the mirror image (the reflective surface of the mirror) objectively exists, but the phenomenon of the "mirror image" (the appearance of a "mirrored version of me and the world around me") does not. Likewise, the phenomenon that leads to the rainbow (viewing water droplets exactly 42 degrees from the direction opposite the light source) objectively exists, but the phenomenon of the rainbow (the appearance a colourful arch) does not. -
2015-11-18 at 4:32 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?The fact that people perceive colour differently demonstrates that colour is not objective. Colour is defined as the way your visual system interprets light, therefore colour is perceived and is not an intrinsic property of objects. There is nothing incorrect about any of that. The fact that you cannot understand this demonstrates that you're dumb.
-
2015-11-18 at 1:17 PM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?
You keep saying that but you've done absolutely nothing to establish it.
Yes I have, I've explained it to you a dozen times already. At this point it's easier to just tell you that colour is already defined as the visual perceptual property in humans corresponding to the categories called red, blue, yellow etc.The very best the experiment could claim to show (and the methodology is so flawed as to be nearly meaningless) is that the subjective experience of color differs from person to person.
Colour is a subjective experience. It is defined as a perception. Colour is not an objective property of light, colour is subjective, wavelengths are an objective property of light but wavelengths are not colour. Colour is a perception.Sure, but like I said before "color information" or the qualia of color is not the same as color.
Demonstrate this.Rainbows emit light, light is objective even if you want to pretend color isn't, clearly rainbows have an objective existence regardless of how moronic you want to be about the meaning of color.
rainbows do not emit light, the sun does. A rainbow is not an object but rather an optical illusion produced under very specific circumstances which have already been explained earlier in the thread. -
2015-11-18 at 2:57 AM UTC in Chakra Attack!You need some body whispering. Dr. Open Your Mind is a spiritual body whisperer. Ommm. Ommm. Many of you might ask, "What are you doing?" I'm omming. "Why are you making that noise?". It relaxes myself and the ladies. You see, ommm is a scientific frequency that lulls the ladies into a relaxed spiritual place where their brain shuts off and their thighs go into overdrive. Mind off, body on. It's like trying to start a car. Zu-zu-zu-zu-zu. Zu-zu-zu-zu-zu. Zu-zu-zu-zu-zu. That mind is a battery, and that battery is drained and dead, but the engine is good. Right? You understand, Reader? I can teach you how to get that frequency, but you have to buy my book and my ommm call. You know how duck hunters have a call they blow on that attracts ducks, so they can shoot them like stupid-ass sitting ducks? That's where that term comes from - a sitting duck, because that duck's sitting there. Right? He heard that call and he sat there and got his ass shot. Boom! Feathers everywhere! Floosh! Well, I have developed a bird call that attracts women, and it's called the Dr. Open Your Mind "Ommm" Spiritual Fine Lady Soothing Call To Attract Women. It's shaped like a sausage and trust me, it looks a bit strange, but blow it - and you'll see. Walk out on your cul-de-sac or the PTA meeting and blow in that thing, and women go mental! Wururururu! Believe me. And sure, you have to blow on a sausage, but while you're blowing on the sausage you want to ommm... Hell, I had a whole yoga studio full of fine women all over me when I blew that sausage-shaped horn. It was like one of them medieval shows on cable, only we didn't have a dwarf or a yak skin for a blanket. Some ignorant fools will say "Are you really humming on that sausage?" No, I'm cleansing myself!
-
2015-11-18 at 2:25 AM UTC in Do rainbows exist objectively?No, colour is a function of your visual system and is not objectively a property the object you are viewing. The object you are viewing has a surface that absorbs some wavelengths of light and reflects others. The existence of the object, the properties of the objects surface, and the wavelength of the light being reflected off the object are all objective. But the colour this object appears to be is not objective. The colour you perceive is a result of your own visual systems interpretation of the information it is receiving, as the scientific experimentation has demonstrated.
Colour information is transmitted out of the eye by three opponent channels, each constructed from the raw output of three types of colour receptor cells: a red–green channel, a blue–yellow channel, and a black–white "luminance" channel. This theory has been supported by neurobiology, and accounts for the structure of our subjective colour experience. Specifically, it explains why we cannot perceive a "reddish green" or a "yellowish blue", and it predicts the colour wheel: it is the collection of colours for which at least one of the two colour channels measures a value at one of its extremes.
Appealing to common practice doesn't save you from being incorrect. When people say, "that car is blue," that doesn't magically make the car objectively blue. It would be more correct to say that the car appears to be blue, because colour is a function of your visual system and not an intrinsic property of the vehicle. It's correct to say the car including the reflective surface of the car does objectively exist. And the light that is reflected into your eyes does have an objective wavelength. But the colour that car appears to be is a function of your visual system and not an intrinsic property of the vehicle. This has been demonstrated scientifically and explains why different people see colour differently.
If you think rainbows exist objectively because you can photograph them, do you also think this guy is actually supporting the leaning tower of Pisa?
-
2015-11-17 at 4:48 AM UTC in The hard problem of consciousness
Why don't our bodies go around doing everything we do and we just experience nothing?
Your body does just go around doing everything it does, your consciousness of the experience it is just a highly evolved reaction to it. -
2015-11-15 at 8:23 AM UTC in Chakra Attack!You don't know if you're going to enjoy that because it hasn't happened yet. You have no idea what that alien's got in his alien penis. You understand? No one knows what kind of schlong an alien has. You don't know that, Reader, so don't speak on it before you know what the hell you're doing, because you're supposed to enjoy it all. Every last bit of it! All life should be enjoyed. Right, Dear Reader?
Now talking of journeys. Every last bit of this crazy journey we are on is called getting respected by any means necessary. I take pride in what the hell you're looking at, because that lets me know what the hell I got. You see, Reader? Enjoy the view. Enjoy the view! There's a horizon over there. There's mountains, there's peaks, and there's valleys on that body. You understand? Share the women but just don't leave no stains, because that ain't nice. You don't leave a stain on a man's lady! Oh!
Is that nice, Reader, for you to get on top of another man's woman and leave stains and don't go to that restroom and get you a towel and wipe her off? It's very unsanitary. You have stained me. Because every time I make love to my woman, all I'm thinking about is what, Reader?
That stain. That's what I'm thinking about in my mind. I can't get aroused if I'm thinking about the stain that that man left on my lady! Ommm. Let me take a breath. Let me breathe now. I am Dr. Open Your Mind and I'm your spiritual guide, Niggas in Space. I'm a registered health practitioner with an internationally recognized degree. I'm a trained yogi who can suck both of his big toes at once. I'm an expert in cleansing, a devotee of colonics and a wise man.
I'm a compassionate lover and a fierce warrior all at the same time. Sometimes I'm a warrior and compassionate at the same time, they don't know where I'm coming from sometimes. And ladies lay there on top of that bed confused because she don't know where I'm coming from. I'm like a pitcher throwing a curveball or a slider. You understand? You don't know what's coming, because you ain't the catcher. You see? See what I just did? See how I did that? I went into your head and took you to a baseball game. You understand? I am a compassionate lover and a fierce warrior. I spoon, I fork and knife, and that's what the Chakra Attack is all about. Lovemaking sometimes means you're here to wrestle, or howl like an animal. Awooo! Awooo!
Did I ever tell you about some nasty twins named Tammy and Sammy who have restraining orders against me after some hot yoga got out of hand? Hot yoga started and it went out of control. Weren't my fault. Damn women - it was 120 degrees! I was getting spiritual! I act out when I think I'm going to die. Oh, I'm a terrible fright on a damn airplane. You've gotta see me fly. Oh, I'm terrible.
Listen, when we're getting through turbulence, I grab a titty! That's the first thing I'm thinking about because that's where my mind goes sometimes. If we're gonna die - we're gonna go down in a fetal position. Fetuses want titties! I ain't sucking no damn thumb! I'm going out the same way I came in - everything in the universe is about two. And that again is a duality. When one become two, problems can arise.
-
2015-11-15 at 7:59 AM UTC in Do fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?
I know, it's a bad habit. What is anyone really qualified to comment on? Don't you ever feel insignificant and inadequate. Outside of your field, particularly Silicon Valley, the vast majority of people know almost nothing about and have no interest in computer science, couldn't follow a conversation or debate on it. It's one of the depressing aspects of life, our own limitations.
I suppose my paint point was that people should be more humble and reserved. Lord, can you imagine how relatively glorious the world would look if people learned to shut their fucking mouths and didn't feel a need to comment on everything as if the world can't live without their opinion?
I'm asking everyone for their opinions. It's not like everyone in this thread who gave their opinion was just spouting off for no reason, they were replying to the thread topic. -
2015-11-14 at 4:36 PM UTC in Anyone here coast to coast/ art bell fans
cool, who's your favorite host? Mines Richard Sayrett. He's a big nerd but has a genuine personality
Doesn't matter to me, I just enjoy listening to the callers who rant about how ALIENS CAME FROM HELL and stuff like that. -
2015-11-14 at 4:29 PM UTC in Do fast food workers deserve a $15 wage?Just to be clear, I don't mean solely fast food workers, I actually meant an increase in minimum wage to $15 / hour. I personally think it's a bad idea.
-
2015-11-14 at 6:22 AM UTC in Anyone here coast to coast/ art bell fansYeah, I listen to it occasionmally.
-
2015-11-14 at 6:18 AM UTC in Chakra Attack!Ommm. That's the sound of me attacking your Chakra! We're bringing Western street knowledge and Eastern spirituality together in a unified approach to contemporary integration - such that the mind and body are one. Such that the ignorance and knowledge be one. Such that the sense and the nonsense be one. When you put sense and nonsense together, what the hell do you got? You got some bullshit going on in your mind! That's everything mushed together like a goddamn jambalaya! Peanut butter and ice cream, gum and butter - ants in your damn pants. It all makes sense, because if you eat peanut butter ice cream, you're going to get diarrhea!
When things don't agree with you, that's what I'm talking about. Now that's sense and that's nonsense together, and they do not agree with each other, and now they have merged and gave your ass diarrhea. We're cleansing everything - mind, body and your spirit. We're going big! We're going all the way. Nirvana, prudah, Valhalla... limbo! Around the world and back again. You're on a round trip, girl, to spirituality! A round trip.
This is the full set. It's something all encompassing. Like a big compass which has everything in it. Not just a silly arrow that tells you which way to go north, but also a lot of other arrows that tell you other shit. Like which way to a liquor store, or some fool's getting fresh or if you are at one all with all mankind. A karma compass that tells you street shit and real shit, but also lots of other arrows, a whole bunch of arrows in that damn compass.
This is a karma compass, everybody, that tells you street shit and real shit. It's like one of them sensors that tell you if there are aliens crawling in the ceiling, and they are getting closer, and you're freaking the hell out, because you are like "This alien is going to drop through this ceiling tile and whoop some ass!" Right, Dear Reader? That damn alien is going to come through that ceiling and whoop some human ass! Wududududuwudududuwudududu...while the men is fighting the aliens, the women are in the corner, crying.
It's not fair, but that's what happens in the movies. That's exactly what happens. You hide in the corner, or you try to run and you trip. Not black women, but white women do trip, I'm sorry. I had to go to there with you, but I've got to go there. I had to pull a race card out... That's what happens. You sit in that goddamn corner and you start to scream and cry, and while the aliens are killing your man, you are sitting there, crying. Then they take you up to space and then impregnate you - you understand what's gonna happen to you?
They're going to take you up there and to do it to you. They're going to do it to you good. They're going to do it to you with their, with their, with their, with their alien prong! You understand? That's how they do it. And that's why you gotta get the spirituality in your body right now, come on now - ommm! Ommm. Today, it's all about empowering the ladies. Spiritual things come in threes! A three-parter. Only not sleaze, and no crossing swords, and no worrying about what's right or wrong or if you've enjoyed it too damn much, because you're supposed to enjoy every last bit of it, Dear Reader.
Do you enjoy every last bit of it?
